> Sure, but again that's why we have a committee behind who will evaluate the > charges and decide what the proper action to be taken is. If the charges are > fake, then the accused would of course not be affected in any way. And if the > accuser keeps making false accusations, that's the one who could face > sanctions.
Sanctions like ban with additional false accusations about harassment could be sent to mass media to create negative image of the community. > No one said that keeping a > community welcoming is free. It requires all of us to look after one another > and our shared values. > But I think it's a price we're willing to pay. I'm not saying we should not work on shared values. As I said earlier many times, I agree we need rules. Let's take a look at archlinux CoC for example: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct Literally no vulnerable promises about protecting from harassment that could be hard to keep. Additional mention at archwiki not to play with controvertial non-related subjects at technical place: "The staff certainly realize that such issues are deeply ingrained human realities. However, this is a technical community and is not intended nor able to effectively facilitate such commentary nor the resulting unrest." > And I'm pretty sure the KDE Community WG can easily compile a list of times > that they were maliciously asked to look into situations and how much time it > took them to give it the attention it was due. Thank you! It would be nice to see with general numbers, to make a comparison, but I agree it is very hard to research > Tell us how to measure the benefit compared to not having a CoC. I never said we don't need a CoC. I've said that not any CoC is healthy. пн, 29 окт. 2018 г. в 0:44, Thiago Macieira <thiago.macie...@intel.com>: > On Sunday, 28 October 2018 13:18:02 PDT Alexey Andreyev wrote: > > > The text is clear - actions will be taken to stop the discrimination. > > > That involves technical means (kick / ban) but also more social means > > > > It is not clear. Intruder could ask to ban some person pretending it's > > discrimination problem. > > Sure, but again that's why we have a committee behind who will evaluate > the > charges and decide what the proper action to be taken is. If the charges > are > fake, then the accused would of course not be affected in any way. And if > the > accuser keeps making false accusations, that's the one who could face > sanctions. > > > intruder could ask to accept vulnerable changes. > > And why would you or an approver accept technically inferior solutions? No > one > is saying that we should do that. All that is required is to be civil and > harassment-free when discussing such a solution. > > > All the described situations requires resources from the community. > > It also could be used to something could be called denial-of-community > > situation. > > Yes, it does require resources from the community. No one said that > keeping a > community welcoming is free. It requires all of us to look after one > another > and our shared values. > > But I think it's a price we're willing to pay. > > And I'm pretty sure the KDE Community WG can easily compile a list of > times > that they were maliciously asked to look into situations and how much time > it > took them to give it the attention it was due. > > > In general, it could be used to change the image of the community to made > > it less popular > > and decrease the number of new members. > > How could it be used to do that? > > > Anyway, I guess there's still no scientific research and social survey > > about the number of the situations that could be called conflicts. > > So I don't see what problem should be solved right now. > > First of all, there are enough situations handled by multiple CoC > committees > in several communities to prove that it's worth it. There have been > situations > when they've been called to act and they have. I'd like to know about > situations that were resolved peacefully and the person who was found to > be > doing harassing changed their behaviour. > > As for a scientific research, it's pretty hard with social situations, > like > almost anything related to people's behaviour: communities are different > from > one another and you can't have a control group to see what happens if you > don't adopt a CoC. > > > I could not accept an answer like "let's try and see" since we didn't > even > > proposed metrics how to check new CoC is helping. > > Tell us how to measure the benefit compared to not having a CoC. > > I'll be very satisfied even if we have a total of zero times the CoC acts > in > the next 5 years and that no new contributor mentions reading the CoC > before > joining the community. > > -- > Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com > Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center > > > > _______________________________________________ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development >
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