Hi Henry, Clutch is a reporting tool that gives a useful summary of incubator metrics for projects in the incubator, including Twill.
http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html For example column K is for the number of committers added during incubation, which is what prompted my original question. Cheers, Tom On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]> wrote: > HI Tom, > > I think you mixed up between Twill and Clutch? > > As for Twill, we are seeing potential new committers but bit missing on the > stickiness to > > I am sure some projects outside use Twill already. I think graduation is > just another stepping stone for project to grow. > Hoping in the near future more new committers will be coming to contribute. > > - Henry > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Tom White <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has demonstrated it is >> ready to graduate. >> >> One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no new committers >> have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is this because of >> a lack of suitable candidates? >> >> Tom >> >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Thanks Terence. >> > >> > Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation proposal. >> > >> > Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been contributed this >> > already), >> > we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of time we need your >> > opinions. >> > >> > - Henry >> > >> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Henry, >> >> >> >> Thanks for initiating the discussion about graduation. >> >> >> >> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is currently have 60 >> >> subscribers, >> >> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs 01/22/15). >> >> >> >> Terence >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > HI Patrick, >> >> > >> >> > Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to gather the >> >> > information. >> >> > >> >> > If you look at the email archive [1] you can see the dev@ list >> >> > contains >> >> > good amount of emails. >> >> > This include messages from Github Pull Requests mirror and JIRA >> >> > discussions. >> >> > The new features development and design had always been made to >> >> > public >> >> > for >> >> > discussions. >> >> > >> >> > I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have numbers about how many >> >> > increase of subscriber. >> >> > >> >> > And the community has released about 7 good releases [2] >> >> > >> >> > From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs member but it is >> >> > not >> >> > because lack of trying. >> >> > The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3] and add >> >> > information >> >> > to >> >> > public sites [4] [5]. >> >> > >> >> > More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add any advice other >> >> > than >> >> > validate the report. >> >> > The releases made were one of the easiest ones to vote for. >> >> > >> >> > Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for Twill to be in >> >> > incubator anymore. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > >> >> > - Henry >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/ >> >> > [2] https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/ >> >> > [3] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111 >> >> > [4] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html >> >> > [5] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt <[email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly looking at the >> >> > > graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I think you're in >> >> > > pretty good shape. I agree the community is small, but that might >> >> > > just >> >> > > be the way the project is. More the question is is it an open >> >> > > community that understands the Apache Way and is ready for tlp >> >> > > status. >> >> > > Can you provide some quantitative insight into progress? E.g. >> >> > > number >> >> > > of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the community. Growth >> >> > > of >> >> > > the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could provide concrete >> >> > > insight and help with the evaluation. >> >> > > >> >> > > I was recently involved in a discussion on the incubator list >> >> > > around >> >> > > Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone mentioned the >> >> > > following document which it seems some folks are using to evaluate >> >> > > graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of graduation, but how >> >> > > do >> >> > > you feel the project stacks up when evaluated against it? >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html >> >> > > >> >> > > Regards, >> >> > > >> >> > > Patrick >> >> > > >> >> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra >> >> > > <[email protected]> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > HI All, >> >> > > > >> >> > > > I would like to bring up graduation of Apache Twill as top level >> >> > project. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > The community has released several successful releases and have >> >> > expanded >> >> > > > the PPMC to show openness, and also have done all discussions and >> >> > > > development in the open following the Apache way. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > The podling is indeed small, and so far has not attract much >> >> > > contributions >> >> > > > from outside world. >> >> > > > I think it is bc most development apps for YARN are done mostly >> >> > > > by >> >> > > > framework developers which sometimes don't mind to spend boiler >> >> > > > plate >> >> > in >> >> > > > exchange for closer control to the lower APIs. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > However, I believe Twill community has nothing left to learn by >> >> > > > staying >> >> > > in >> >> > > > the incubator. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Any thoughts and comments are welcomed. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > - Henry >> >> > > >> >> > >> > >> > > >
