It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has demonstrated it is
ready to graduate.

One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no new committers
have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is this because of
a lack of suitable candidates?

Tom

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Terence.
>
> Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation proposal.
>
> Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been contributed this already),
> we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of time we need your
> opinions.
>
> - Henry
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Henry,
>>
>> Thanks for initiating the discussion about graduation.
>>
>> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is currently have 60
>> subscribers,
>> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs 01/22/15).
>>
>> Terence
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > HI Patrick,
>> >
>> > Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to gather the information.
>> >
>> > If you look at the email archive [1] you can see the dev@ list contains
>> > good amount of emails.
>> > This include messages from Github Pull Requests mirror and JIRA
>> > discussions.
>> > The new features development and design had always been made to public
>> > for
>> > discussions.
>> >
>> > I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have numbers about how many
>> > increase of subscriber.
>> >
>> > And the community has released about 7 good releases [2]
>> >
>> > From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs member but it is not
>> > because lack of trying.
>> > The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3] and add information
>> > to
>> > public sites [4] [5].
>> >
>> > More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add any advice other
>> > than
>> > validate the report.
>> > The releases made were one of the easiest ones to vote for.
>> >
>> > Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for Twill to be in
>> > incubator anymore.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > - Henry
>> >
>> >
>> > [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/
>> > [2] https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/
>> > [3]
>> >
>> >
>> > http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111
>> > [4]
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html
>> > [5]
>> >
>> >
>> > https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly looking at the
>> > > graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I think you're in
>> > > pretty good shape. I agree the community is small, but that might just
>> > > be the way the project is. More the question is is it an open
>> > > community that understands the Apache Way and is ready for tlp status.
>> > > Can you provide some quantitative insight into progress? E.g. number
>> > > of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the community. Growth of
>> > > the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could provide concrete
>> > > insight and help with the evaluation.
>> > >
>> > > I was recently involved in a discussion on the incubator list around
>> > > Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone mentioned the
>> > > following document which it seems some folks are using to evaluate
>> > > graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of graduation, but how do
>> > > you feel the project stacks up when evaluated against it?
>> > >
>> >
>> > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Patrick
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra
>> > > <[email protected]>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > HI All,
>> > > >
>> > > > I would like to bring up graduation of Apache Twill as top level
>> > project.
>> > > >
>> > > > The community has released several successful releases and have
>> > expanded
>> > > > the PPMC to show openness, and also have done all discussions and
>> > > > development in the open following the Apache way.
>> > > >
>> > > > The podling is indeed small, and so far has not attract much
>> > > contributions
>> > > > from outside world.
>> > > > I think it is bc most development apps for YARN are done mostly by
>> > > > framework developers which sometimes don't mind to spend boiler
>> > > > plate
>> > in
>> > > > exchange for closer control to the lower APIs.
>> > > >
>> > > > However, I believe Twill community has nothing left to learn by
>> > > > staying
>> > > in
>> > > > the incubator.
>> > > >
>> > > > Any thoughts and comments are welcomed.
>> > > >
>> > > > - Henry
>> > >
>> >
>
>

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