While you make plenty of valid points about Contegix, it's completely
unrelated to what I'm arguing for. If you are successful in bringing
them in to the ASF infrastructure as you've proposed, it should be a
no-brainer to move a cwiki space to that infrastructure. So that's a
non-issue as far as this discussion is concerned.
We're better off on cwiki than where we are now. We have no admin
privileges (I'm currently locked out of editing the CONTINUUM space),
and the setup is not conducive to deploying into the Apache site.
cwiki is already running the stuff we need. People I trust recommend it.
We've wanted to do this for months, and this is an avenue that
actually makes it easier for us - I continue to suggest we take it.
- Brett
On 31/03/2007, at 12:23 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
On 28 Mar 07, at 5:22 PM 28 Mar 07, Brett Porter wrote:
(moving to main dev list as scope has increased)
On 29/03/2007, at 12:28 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
Similar to what Emmanuel suggested, how about we move *all* the
current spaces to cwiki, avoiding any further fragmentation, and
in fact removing the current fragmentation between the apache site
and the codehaus confluence, as well as getting all of the above
benefits?
Before biting the bullet we can do a trial with this single SCM page.
What do folks think?
I think it's a bad idea to move from a stable setup we have with
great support from people who have helped us at every turn. I would
like to suggest we stay with Contegix wherever possible and this
discussion is still ongoing with infra and they have yet to get
back with SLA policies. I believe it is in the best interest of
users and the community to provide the best infrastructure as
possible and there is no doubt in my mind that is Contegix. For
anything we have ever done for JIRA, Confluence or the Central
Repository they have been there for us. We gain nothing by moving
any of this to Apache.
Contegix has run JIRA and Confluence for us when these services
were not available at Apache and they have been more than
accommodating when we needed a new repository infrastructure.
I have been trying to incorporate Contegix officially into the
infrastructure at Apache so that we can keep everyone happy. I am
not willing, nor do I support any move to Apache without infra
deciding their policies, nor am I overly excited about the
possibility of any of our infrastructure being moved to a place
where no one is really accountable. Contegix is responsible,
accountable, a pleasure to work with and they have bent over
backward to help us. We are relying on Jeff Turner who is already
overworked in trying to manage our setup whereas at Contegix we
have a team who are very knowledgeable about Atlassian products
because they resell them. We also have people here who's first
response is a derisive comment about the tools we use.
My vote is for Contegix to continue the great job they have done
and seeing as infra has not decided anything or contacted me after
I attended the last board meeting, I am going to go ahead with an
official proposal starting with our PMC to let each PMC decide on
their infrastructure needs and use whomever they like working on
the integration strategies and policies that will make everyone
comfortable. Until that time I don't think it's prudent because you
will potentially jeopardize the infrastructure used by everyone
using Maven.
Jason.
Cheers,
Brett
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