Jason van Zyl a écrit :
On 30 Mar 07, at 10:49 AM 30 Mar 07, Brett Porter wrote:
While you make plenty of valid points about Contegix, it's completely
unrelated to what I'm arguing for.
How is starting to move things away from Contegix, which is you
suggestion, not related? The subsequent argument would then be made that
we already started this process so why not move the rest. Of course it's
related.
If you are successful in bringing them in to the ASF infrastructure as
you've proposed, it should be a no-brainer to move a cwiki space to
that infrastructure. So that's a non-issue as far as this discussion
is concerned.
We're better off on cwiki than where we are now. We have no admin
privileges (I'm currently locked out of editing the CONTINUUM space)
Did you ask? I asked Ben for JIRA privs and that took 5 minutes.
, and the setup is not conducive to deploying into the Apache site.
cwiki is already running the stuff we need. People I trust recommend it.
The stuff is a plugin which can be installed in any Confluence instance.
So that's not an onerous task.
We've wanted to do this for months, and this is an avenue that
actually makes it easier for us - I continue to suggest we take it.
I'm simply not in favour of moving anything away from Contegix. Taking
the output from the export plugin and scp'ing it to people is not hard
either.
If Ben is ok to install the plugin and if we can manage the scp to people, it's
ok for me. But I don't know how we'll can manage it, we don't have shell access
to codehaus.
Emmanuel
Jason.
- Brett
On 31/03/2007, at 12:23 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
On 28 Mar 07, at 5:22 PM 28 Mar 07, Brett Porter wrote:
(moving to main dev list as scope has increased)
On 29/03/2007, at 12:28 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
Similar to what Emmanuel suggested, how about we move *all* the
current spaces to cwiki, avoiding any further fragmentation, and in
fact removing the current fragmentation between the apache site and
the codehaus confluence, as well as getting all of the above benefits?
Before biting the bullet we can do a trial with this single SCM page.
What do folks think?
I think it's a bad idea to move from a stable setup we have with
great support from people who have helped us at every turn. I would
like to suggest we stay with Contegix wherever possible and this
discussion is still ongoing with infra and they have yet to get back
with SLA policies. I believe it is in the best interest of users and
the community to provide the best infrastructure as possible and
there is no doubt in my mind that is Contegix. For anything we have
ever done for JIRA, Confluence or the Central Repository they have
been there for us. We gain nothing by moving any of this to Apache.
Contegix has run JIRA and Confluence for us when these services were
not available at Apache and they have been more than accommodating
when we needed a new repository infrastructure.
I have been trying to incorporate Contegix officially into the
infrastructure at Apache so that we can keep everyone happy. I am not
willing, nor do I support any move to Apache without infra deciding
their policies, nor am I overly excited about the possibility of any
of our infrastructure being moved to a place where no one is really
accountable. Contegix is responsible, accountable, a pleasure to work
with and they have bent over backward to help us. We are relying on
Jeff Turner who is already overworked in trying to manage our setup
whereas at Contegix we have a team who are very knowledgeable about
Atlassian products because they resell them. We also have people here
who's first response is a derisive comment about the tools we use.
My vote is for Contegix to continue the great job they have done and
seeing as infra has not decided anything or contacted me after I
attended the last board meeting, I am going to go ahead with an
official proposal starting with our PMC to let each PMC decide on
their infrastructure needs and use whomever they like working on the
integration strategies and policies that will make everyone
comfortable. Until that time I don't think it's prudent because you
will potentially jeopardize the infrastructure used by everyone
using Maven.
Jason.
Cheers,
Brett
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