Let's please consider how this would controlled and look for ways other than 
YetAnotherProperty

Thanks,
EB

On 9/17/20, 12:59 PM, "Dave Barnes" <dbar...@apache.org> wrote:

    If a straight-up change solves a constant headache, as you suggest,
    Alberto, and as Blake concurs, that sounds like the way to go.
    Why introduce a new option or property if the user will always prefer one
    behavior over the other? (And from a docs perspective, who needs another
    optional property, anyway?)

    On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:32 AM Blake Bender <bbl...@vmware.com> wrote:

    > Given that attempts to retrieve metadata after the C++ cache is closed are
    > a constant headache for Geode Native development, I am generally in favor
    > of anything that potentially reduces the number of times/places this
    > happens.  If we've failed the handshake, it's very unlikely things will
    > correct themselves without outside intervention, so this fix is probably
    > goodness.  I'd go ahead and submit a PR when you think it's solid.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Blake
    >
    >
    > On 9/17/20, 9:36 AM, "Dave Barnes" <dbar...@apache.org> wrote:
    >
    >     Alberto,
    >     Are there cases in which one or two timeouts are followed by a
    > successful
    >     retry? Or does one timeout *always* end with more timeouts and,
    > ultimately,
    >     an IO error?
    >     If timeouts can sometimes be followed by successful retries, and
    > re-trying
    >     is the current default behavior, then I agree that introducing a
    > setting
    >     that effectively eliminates re-tries should be the developer's choice.
    >     In that case, I suggest that the option should not be a low-level
    > choice of
    >     "handle the metadata in a way that eliminates retries" but should be
    > higher
    >     level, like "when attempting to connect, try only once, instead of
    >     re-trying (the default behavior)."
    >     -Dave
    >
    >     On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:42 AM Alberto Bustamante Reyes
    >     <alberto.bustamante.re...@est.tech> wrote:
    >
    >     > Hi geode-dev,
    >     >
    >     > I have a question about the c++ client.
    >     >
    >     > Some months ago we merged GEODE-8231 to solve a problem we observed
    >     > regarding the native client was trying to connect to stopped server.
    >     > GEODE-8231 solution consists on remove the client metadata when an
    > "IO
    >     > error in handshake" exception is received. This fix solved most of
    > our
    >     > problems, but it has been observed that sometimes when a server is
    > stopped
    >     > the errors received in the client are not the same and this "IO
    > error in
    >     > handshake" takes up to a minute to appear. So during that time, the
    > client
    >     > is still trying to connect to the offline server.
    >     >
    >     > As the error received during that time is "timeout in handshake", we
    > have
    >     > tested modyfing the solution of GEODE-8213 to make the client to
    > remove the
    >     > metadata once a timeout error is received (here is a draft with the
    > code:
    >     >
    > 
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    > With this change in
    >     > place, the behavior is ok.
    >     >
    >     >
    >     > But I would like to check your opinion about this check, because
    > this will
    >     > cause that a single timeout will cause the removal of the client
    > metadata,
    >     > which maybe its not the best solution. I thought about different
    >     > alternatives:
    >     >
    >     > - Wait until a given number of timeouts in a row have been received
    > from
    >     > the same server to remove the metadata
    >     > - Make this "remove-metadata-after-timeout" something optional that
    > could
    >     > be configured if needed
    >     >
    >     > As this will misalign the behavior of Java and C++ clients, making
    > this an
    >     > optional configuration will be more appropriate, to keep the default
    > c++
    >     > client behavior as the Java client.
    >     >
    >     > BR/
    >     >
    >     > Alberto B.
    >     >
    >
    >

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