Romain, On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2014-08-21 21:15 GMT+02:00 Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>: > Not adding a dependency for one line answer. > > For longer one: take tomee example: we have [logging], slf4j cause of > dependencies but as soon as we'll be able we'll drop them *by > default*. We use JUL by default since tomcat integration is not that > bad and cause it is built in in the JDK. If you add logging > dependencies in the container then you need fine integration to let > the application override it/use custom configuration. That's why less > dependency we take better it is. > > I never said log4j2 was bad - actually once 2-3 bugs are fixed I think > it is really good - but that's really a matter of integration and > environment.
actually your arguments were all technical based while i often read "we don't need it" as counter arguments for many proposed changes in commons. > JCS will not only be used as app lib but also as container component > which changes a little bit the constraints. I don't like JUL, but your argumentation is good. I also like zero deps libraries. That said, commons-logging is the wrong choice in any case. Cheers, Christian > >> Regards, >> Christian >> >> >> >>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Gary >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org >>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition >>>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> >>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> >>>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> >>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com >>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ >>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org >>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition >>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> >>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> >>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> >>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com >>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ >>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> >> >> --- >> http://www.grobmeier.de >> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL >> @grobmeier >> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
