On 20/08/2014 15:41, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: > trying to make it complete: > > Solutions are: > 1) [logging] - think it is deprecated too > 2) log4j2: not integrated at all with anything so a bit early but we > *need* to be compatible > 3) slf4j: broken in hierarchical classloaders > 4) JUL: not that friendly but prod ready in tomcat/tomee
JUL is also totally broken in hierarchical class loaders. It only works in Tomcat because of a custom LogManager. I assume Tomee does something similar. > 5) custom logging solution: not a standard but exists in containers/frameworks > 6) JCS logger facade > > > I'd love to go with log4j2 by default byt I'm sure it will break in a > lot of environment. > Regarding TomEE use case (this issue popped up from tomee initially): > log4j2 is not yet fully supported cause PropertyConfigurator is now a > noop implementation and some shutdown messages were lost last time I > re-tried (I pan to dig into it next month more or less) > > Personally I'd go with JUL since it is library free and can be easily > extended to support slf4j/log4j - see > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tomee/tomee/trunk/container/openejb-core/src/main/java/org/apache/openejb/log/logger/ > - etc (done in cxf, OWB, OpenEJB....) but having a light JCS facade > (mainly a factory) would work too. > > PS for who didnt read the associated jira: I don't want this task to > prevent a 2.0 release. If you see it as a blocker we can do a > 2.0-alpha but we really need to make this code released IMHO, I really > want to avoid some tunnel effect. > > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > Twitter: @rmannibucau > Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ > LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau > Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau > > > 2014-08-20 16:22 GMT+02:00 David Green <djg2...@gmail.com>: >> +1 for slf4j >> >> >> >> On 20 August 2014 14:54, Yogesh Rao <yog...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Though i am not a member of the dev team :-) I would support a full fledge >>> facade implementation which doesn't provide any logging at all and let the >>> framework user decide which logging would he would like to bind it to. >>> SLF4J does that very neatly and its also easy, i am also aware it might >>> turn down the performance a little. >>> >>> Regards, >>> -Yogesh >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:17 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 20 August 2014 14:37, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:28 AM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 20 August 2014 14:04, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Moving discussion about logging from [JCS-122] to this dev ML. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why not use Log4j 2, uses can redirect logging to other frameworks >>> if >>>>>>> needed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why not use Commons Logging, can redirect logging to other frameworks >>> if >>>>>> needed? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to think that Commons Logging has been deprecated by Log4j 2 >>> can >>>> >>>> That is not an opinion that is universally shared. >>>> >>>>> do the same thing (in principle) AND provide it's own advanced logging >>>>> framework. >>>> >>>> s/it's/its/ >>>> >>>> That may be so, but I don't think that is sufficient reason to choose >>>> Log4j2 over any other library. >>>> >>>>> Gary >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org >>>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition >>>>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> >>>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> >>>>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> >>>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com >>>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ >>>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org >>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition >>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> >>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> >>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> >>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com >>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ >>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
