On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2014-08-21 21:15 GMT+02:00 Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>: > > On 20 Aug 2014, at 15:47, sebb wrote: > > > >> On 20 August 2014 14:37, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:28 AM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 20 August 2014 14:04, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Moving discussion about logging from [JCS-122] to this dev ML. > >>>>> > >>>>> Why not use Log4j 2, uses can redirect logging to other frameworks if > >>>>> needed. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Why not use Commons Logging, can redirect logging to other frameworks > if > >>>> needed? > >>>> > >>> > >>> I'd like to think that Commons Logging has been deprecated by Log4j 2 > can > >> > >> > >> That is not an opinion that is universally shared. > > > > > > yes, I can name a few people from this list who actually know > > commons-logging exists. > > > > > >>> do the same thing (in principle) AND provide it's own advanced logging > >>> framework. > >> > >> > >> s/it's/its/ > > > > > > ... > > > > > >> That may be so, but I don't think that is sufficient reason to choose > >> Log4j2 over any other library. > > > > > > its an advanced logging framework, build by ASF people, with modern API, > > insane speed and maintained by around 7 competent ASF committers? > > Its/It's/It is compatible with slf4j, log4j1, and even jcl, so please > > explain to me what are the reasons to NOT choose Log4j 2.0 but anything > > else? > > > > > Not adding a dependency for one line answer. > > For longer one: take tomee example: we have [logging], slf4j cause of > dependencies but as soon as we'll be able we'll drop them *by > default*. We use JUL by default since tomcat integration is not that > bad and cause it is built in in the JDK. If you add logging > dependencies in the container then you need fine integration to let > the application override it/use custom configuration. That's why less > dependency we take better it is. > > I never said log4j2 was bad - actually once 2-3 bugs are fixed Please create JIRAs! ;-) https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2 Gary > I think > it is really good - but that's really a matter of integration and > environment. > > JCS will not only be used as app lib but also as container component > which changes a little bit the constraints. > > > Regards, > > Christian > > > > > > > >> > >>> Gary > >>> > >>> > >>>>> Gary > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org > >>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition > >>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> > >>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> > >>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> > >>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com > >>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ > >>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org > >>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition > >>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> > >>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> > >>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> > >>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com > >>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ > >>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > > > > > --- > > http://www.grobmeier.de > > The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL > > @grobmeier > > GPG: 0xA5CC90DB > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > -- E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com Home: http://garygregory.com/ Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
