On 07/23/2009 03:34 PM, Martin Paljak:
Right. I'm sure I could make a bunch of people warm and fuzzy by getting some "tankers" for booze money from Moscow, transfer them to some funky ex-USSR country or maybe some tropical island, make them establish "Internet Million Dollar Lottery Inc.", get a www.milliondollarinternetlottery.com website and a nice green EV certificate and ... collect for one year, hope that the "tankists" have already died from too much alcohol and leave to Nigeria.

This is a common way of fraud/scam/money laundry I believe anywhere in the world. The way "tankists" (there is probably a better term in English) have been abused is especially common here and in surrounding countries where I live (Estonia, one of those ex-USSR). For a couple of bottles of vodka or a few hundred euros you can get a bum, shave him, wash him, cloth him, take him to the notary and the bank, get all documents to run the thing, and voila - done. There have been new money-laundry and anti-corruption laws in Estonia/EU but take some place like Armenia and you're all set.

What I want to say - if it is the green bar that makes you feel warm and safe and this is the "trust and security" we've not really achieved anything.


Which however shows that you have no clue whatsoever. The least that can be said about EV is that it's not secure. To my knowledge there has to be an EV cert issued wrongfully first. For newly established companies there are special verification requirements which have to be satisfied.


Security or trust? PGP or the "web of trust" model works because it mimics real life social interactions "my friend told me that she ..." whereas x509 trees represent the "perfect mass" for whom "this is said and thus so it shall be" is a perfectly OK situation. The green thing works until a scam like I described will be pulled off and then it will be like Verisign and Microsoft case.

Which most likely will not happen. But there is a problem distributing trust in a web-of-trust - not that it's impossible - but that's not the case with PGP.

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