to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 10:46:16AM +0000, Chris Green wrote:
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> [...]
> 
> > > I somehow have got the feeling that we are talking about completely
> > > different things. DoH has absolutely nothing to do with your router's
> > > (or any other local network's, or your provider's) DNS. It bypasses
> > > it. That's its job.
> > > 
> > How can it do that in reality? It's connecting to the outside world
> > via the router.  It would have to 'tunnel' through the router somehow
> > wouldn't it as otherwise the router will 'see' any attempts to do DNS
> > type things.
> 
> The tunnel is called HTTPS. The browser sends its DNS requests inside
> of HTTPS requests, which your router can't look into, unless it is
> playing MITM games:
> 
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoH
> 
> > I guess the browser can talk to numeric addresses just using the
> > router as the default route but that's still assuming the router
> > doesn't have its own internal 'investigation' of what's being passed
> > through it.
> 
> How could it, being an encrypted stream it hasn't the keys to?
> 
> > Are you saying that Chromium/Vivaldi have some fixed IP addresses that
> > they use for DNS servers out on the internet?
> 
> Basically this, yes.
> 
Well that doesn't seem to be happening with Vivaldi on my systems, the
dnsmasq/blacklist I run in my router is effective for both Vivaldi and
the other browser I occasionally use (epiphany).

I see no evidence of Vivaldi somehow bypassing my DNS configuration.

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Chris Green
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