On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 10:46:16AM +0000, Chris Green wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > I somehow have got the feeling that we are talking about completely
> > different things. DoH has absolutely nothing to do with your router's
> > (or any other local network's, or your provider's) DNS. It bypasses
> > it. That's its job.
> > 
> How can it do that in reality? It's connecting to the outside world
> via the router.  It would have to 'tunnel' through the router somehow
> wouldn't it as otherwise the router will 'see' any attempts to do DNS
> type things.

The tunnel is called HTTPS. The browser sends its DNS requests inside
of HTTPS requests, which your router can't look into, unless it is
playing MITM games:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoH

> I guess the browser can talk to numeric addresses just using the
> router as the default route but that's still assuming the router
> doesn't have its own internal 'investigation' of what's being passed
> through it.

How could it, being an encrypted stream it hasn't the keys to?

> Are you saying that Chromium/Vivaldi have some fixed IP addresses that
> they use for DNS servers out on the internet?

Basically this, yes.

Cheers
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t

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