On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 01:41 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 19:19 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > > I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily > > basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install systemd. > > I've never used systemd -- is there anything to fear? For those who > > have installed it, does the system handle the switch from the old init > > scripts, or is there a lot of manual intervention and time required? > > Are you sure that it is installed to replace init? Perhaps systemd isn't > used, but needed as a hard dependency? Or they stopped separating udev > from systemd, by upstream they are merged.
PS: Where are notes to updates for testing? However, http://packages.debian.org/jessie/systemd , systemd by the Debian package depends on udev, so they aren't merged and it also depends on initscripts, IOW systemd isn't systemd. Why does systemd need initscripts? Must be regarding to a transition. Assumed the transition would work automatically and flawlessly, then you still need to be able to handle it. For example, the big advantage of systemd is, that you can boot your system within seconds, one disadvantage is, that reading kernel logs has become a PITA. If you thought that it's always no fun to read those logs you're right but with systemd it's much more unpleasant. I don't know what voodoo Debian does use, but if you switch you likely will have to do much work manually. OTOH, initscripts is a dependency of systemd for Debian. Impressions from Arch ===================== [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi systemd Name : systemd Version : 208-2 Description : system and service manager Architecture : x86_64 URL : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd Licenses : GPL2 LGPL2.1 MIT Groups : None Provides : libsystemd=208 nss-myhostname systemd-tools=208 udev=208 libgudev-1.0.so=0-64 libsystemd-daemon.so=0-64 libsystemd-id128.so=0-64 libsystemd-journal.so=0-64 libsystemd-login.so=0-64 libudev.so=1-64 Depends On : acl bash dbus-core glib2 kbd kmod hwids libcap libgcrypt pam util-linux xz Optional Deps : cryptsetup: required for encrypted block devices [installed] libmicrohttpd: systemd-journal-gatewayd quota-tools: kernel-level quota management python: systemd library bindings [installed] systemd-sysvcompat: symlink package to provide sysvinit binaries [installed] Required By : accountsservice apache bluez-utils chromium colord device-mapper gnome-session gstreamer0.10-good-plugins lib32-systemd libatasmart libgusb libmbim libusbx libwacom lightdm lvm2 mate-session-manager media-player-info mesa mkinitcpio modemmanager netctl networkmanager pcmciautils pcsclite polkit qt5-base qtwebkit subversion syslog-ng systemd-sysvcompat thunar udisks udisks2 upower xf86-input-evdev xf86-video-ati Optional For : None Conflicts With : libsystemd nss-myhostname systemd-tools udev Replaces : libsystemd nss-myhostname systemd-tools udev Installed Size : 12482.00 KiB Packager : Dave Reisner <dreis...@archlinux.org> Build Date : Mon 21 Oct 2013 03:27:49 PM CEST Install Date : Fri 25 Oct 2013 12:01:44 AM CEST Install Reason : Installed as a dependency for another package Install Script : Yes Validated By : Signature JFTR Chromium and Thunar not really require systemd, they require udev. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi thunar chromium | grep Depends\ On Depends On : desktop-file-utils libexif hicolor-icon-theme libnotify udev gtk2 exo libxfce4util libxfce4ui libpng Depends On : gtk2 nss alsa-lib xdg-utils bzip2 libevent libxss icu libgcrypt ttf-font udev dbus flac opus snappy speech-dispatcher pciutils libpulse harfbuzz harfbuzz-icu desktop-file-utils hicolor-icon-theme -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1384910462.1207.175.camel@archlinux
