On 2013-05-20 10:44 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 5/20/2013 1:48 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2013-05-20 07:26 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/19/2013 11:04 PM, staticsafe wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Debian developers (and many other distros) have chosen to put their
>>>> support behind GRUB2 which allows for (please correct me, if I'm wrong)
>>>> features like UEFI support and better support for automation.
>>>
>>> It's an odd play for Debian to get behind UEFI
>>
>> It's not really Debian's choice, the world is finally giving up on the
>> BIOS and your next machine might very well not provide such an interface
>> anymore.
>
> Some big box vendors have switched or are switching to UEFI. But the
> x86 channel mobo manufacturers have not, nor have embedded platform
> vendors using MIPS and ARM.
MIPS and ARM machines don't have a traditional BIOS either, and *all*
x86 motherboards have to support UEFI these days. It is a requirement
for the Windows 8 logo, and Windows won't boot from GPT partitioned
disks with a traditional BIOS - people want to be able to use hard disks
bigger than 2 TiB under Windows.
> UEFI is little endian only and will never be usable on some embedded
> RISC processor platforms. Linux will be required to support many
> different flavors of system board firmware now and into the distant future.
This may be so, but this thread is about the vga=ask kernel parameter
and LILO, and those are pretty much x86 specific.
>> Debian does not support secure boot as of now, and whether secure boot
>> restricts or enhances user freedom depends on your ability to install
>> your own keys.
>
> Even if you can, the fact that you have to restricts freedom to a degree.
You don't have to, just turn Secure Boot off if you don't like it.
> I'll start worrying about this when channel vendors announce they're
> going UEFI only. I'm sure I've got a few years.
There are already laptops which do not provide a BIOS interface anymore.
Cheers,
Sven
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