On 5/20/2013 1:48 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2013-05-20 07:26 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > >> On 5/19/2013 11:04 PM, staticsafe wrote: >> >>> The Debian developers (and many other distros) have chosen to put their >>> support behind GRUB2 which allows for (please correct me, if I'm wrong) >>> features like UEFI support and better support for automation. >> >> It's an odd play for Debian to get behind UEFI > > It's not really Debian's choice, the world is finally giving up on the > BIOS and your next machine might very well not provide such an interface > anymore.
Some big box vendors have switched or are switching to UEFI. But the x86 channel mobo manufacturers have not, nor have embedded platform vendors using MIPS and ARM. And they don't appear to have immediate, or any, plans to do so. We'll never see the day that "everything is UEFI". UEFI is little endian only and will never be usable on some embedded RISC processor platforms. Linux will be required to support many different flavors of system board firmware now and into the distant future. "The world" hasn't given up on PC BIOS. I build my systems, AMD only, and I don't see any signs of PC BIOS disappearing any time soon from AMD channel mobos. Recall that EFI and by extension UEFI are the children of the failed Intel Itanium chip. UEFI is being pushed as a standard by Intel and now Microsoft, not AMD nor VIA, nor the FLOSS community. Some of the latter are being dragged kicking and screaming. Some aren't buying in. >> which includes secure >> boot, and includes other features that tend to take control of the >> machine away from the user. That's not freedom. > > Debian does not support secure boot as of now, and whether secure boot > restricts or enhances user freedom depends on your ability to install > your own keys. Even if you can, the fact that you have to restricts freedom to a degree. >>> Another note, GRUB2 is more similar to Lilo than you think. >> >> They're both boot loaders. Of course they're similar. But they have >> some serious differences. Serious enough that many folks, such as >> myself, choose to stick with LILO. > > Good luck in patching LILO to work without a BIOS. I'll start worrying about this when channel vendors announce they're going UEFI only. I'm sure I've got a few years. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5199e274.2030...@hardwarefreak.com
