On 23/08/25 10:59 pm, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 at 08:00, Andrea Bolognani <e...@kiyuko.org> wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 01:34:16PM -0700, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: >>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 at 19:33, Theodore Ts'o <ty...@mit.edu> wrote: > ... >>> So all the effort the submitter did - and also me as mentor - was in >>> vain. This is not the end of the world, but I wanted to share it as an >>> anecdote of the new contributor experience. >> >> I find it quite interesting that you would qualify this as a wasted >> effort on the mentee's part and your own. >> >> This implies that the primary goal when opening the MR was getting >> the person's name into the Debian changelog / git log, not improving >> Debian or gaining experience in how to contribute. So it sounds to me >> like your perception of the outcome was heavily influenced by the >> initial framing. > > No, it does not imply. Actually I find it quite demotivating having > spent extensive amounts of time improving Debian in various ways that > somebody writes on debian-devel@ that my goal is *not improving > Debian*. Please don't write such things. Instead assume good faith and > think about what the positive interpretation would be in case I didn't > write clearly enough.
I hope that Andrea wrote that with different intentions. If not, and the meaning is same as what you (Otto) say above, I agree that it is incredibly rude framing. We can do better. This thread has also reached at its 100+ email mark. Like a large majority of threads which cross a certain threshold of emails (which is also mostly a 3 digit number), this thread seems to have lost its usefulness at this point, and we are only fighting over minutiae. The original message was "please take a look at MRs before upload". It is a "suggestion". It does not look like such an intrusive suggestion to devolve into almost a mini-flamewar of this kind. I, for one, acknowledge the suggestion and would check open MRs before I upload my next package. Simple as that.
