Re: Ansgar 🙀 > That would be an argument to *NOT* have random packages "Recommend: > system-log-daemon" so it is easier to not have it installed at all.
That's what I was trying to say, yes. > Having "system facilities" that the admins decide to install or not > install makes keeping optional stuff optional easier than random > "Recommends:" pulling in packages that might or might not be useful for > individual installations. As far as I understand there are often > concerns that "Recommends:" is sometimes far too inclusive in Debian. Ack. > On the other hand some people argue that a "proper" UNIX-like system > always needs a MTA (and a running syslog and a compiler and so on) > because that is what some systems looked like in the past... Right, but times are changing. In the past, fail2ban could depend on system-log-daemon and expect files in /var/log/ to appear, but systemd/journalctl keep things elsewhere. Perhaps that is the issue we should be discussing? Christoph
