On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 08:51:58PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: > On 28.12.2013 20:32, Steve Langasek wrote: > >On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 07:31:46PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
> >>After that gnome-shell and gdm3 should add a recommendation for > >>systemd-sysv, since most people will want to use the functionality > >>like suspend from menus, that needs systemd as PID 1, but > >>occasionally some people may prefer to use sysvinit-core or upstart. > >Absolutely not. The desktop functionality is related to a set of dbus > >services, which can be provided perfectly well on top of other init systems. > >We need a proper solution here, not the GNOME packages forcing an init > >system selection on all users. > As it is, GNOME upstream decided to depend on systemd being PID 1. No, they decided to depend on *a set of dbus services*. > While I don't really like it, I do not know of any alternative that > exists now, but, of course, you are invited to create one. It exists, it's called systemd-shim and it's available in Ubuntu. I will be uploading it to Debian shortly. Unconditionally recommending systemd-sysv is absolutely the wrong thing to do here. > Until that has happened, gdm3 and gnome-shell should recommend > systemd-sysv to ensure that they work properly. You might not be > aware of it, but this missing dependency has annoyed users (myself > included) already, and there have been many bug reports about it > (#726763, #729576, #731426, #731602, #731686). I'm sure I'm more aware of the details of the situation than you are. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org
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