Hi,
On 28.12.2013 02:07, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
On 2013-12-22 23:30:21 +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote:
If GNOME developers want to require systemd as the init system,
I don't see this as a reason not to add the dependency. Users
are not forced to install GNOME packages. And if they want GNOME,
they would have to accept the consequences about the init system.
The problem is the policy [1]:
"Essential is defined as the minimal set of functionality that must be
available and usable on the system at all times"
So removing an essential package is not really allowed by the policy.
There's the same problem with systemd-sysv itself. So, I don't think
it is against the policy. This point is more for tools handling
package installation and removal, and also to avoid two essential
packages conflicting each other.
I think it is not acceptable that the default Debian installer (for a
desktop system) does not install an essential package, which would be the
case, if gnome depended on systemd-sysv. Currently I think there is no
package that depends on systemd-sysv without alternative and systemd-sysv is
a package that actually does nothing else (as far as I can tell), but
replace sysvinit with a link to systemd.
The latest change of sysvinit should solve this conflict issue,
once systemd-sysv no longer conflicts with sysvinit, but with
sysvinit-core:
sysvinit (2.88dsf-44) unstable; urgency=low
[...]
[ Steve Langasek ]
* Move sysvinit functionality into a new binary package, sysvinit-core,
and have sysvinit depend on an ORed list of the available
implementations of /sbin/init. Since sysvinit is an Essential: yes
package, this is the only away to allow users to cleanly switch between
init systems without having to go through a multi-release-cycle
transition. Closes: #728566.
-- Steve Langasek <vor...@debian.org> Thu, 26 Dec 2013 11:09:49 -0800
The package systemd-sysv should only break/replace sysvinit-core and not
sysvinit (see bug #733240), which would solve bug #645540 as well.
After that gnome-shell and gdm3 should add a recommendation for
systemd-sysv, since most people will want to use the functionality like
suspend from menus, that needs systemd as PID 1, but occasionally some
people may prefer to use sysvinit-core or upstart.
Best regards,
Andreas
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