On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Tom Vogt wrote:

> on the other side, scholars with seemingly much more direct knowledge
> disagree heavily with you. read any machiavelli lately?

Let's see Rome was pretty much destroyed by roughly 568 AD by the
Lombards.

Machiavelli lived 1469 - 1527, yet. That's certainly direct
knowledge...Not.

Machiavelli was a backstabbing son of a bitch who'd be right at home in
todays lying, cheating, corrupted society. I'd further posit that he in
fact wouldn't disagree but rather would hold that was the natural state of
human society.


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