On 11/21/2011 01:37 PM, C. Boemann wrote:
On Monday 21 November 2011 13:18:50 Sebastian Sauer wrote:
On 11/21/2011 11:29 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
On Monday 21 November 2011 Nov, Sebastian Sauer wrote:
On 11/21/2011 09:11 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:
On 21 November 2011 08:27, Sebastian Sauer<m...@dipe.org> wrote:
On 11/21/2011 04:36 AM, Thorsten Zachmann wrote:
It also reveals the names (for those that weren't at the sprint).
And yes some were made as a joke, but in all fairness all proposed
names were brought to the vote.
1. Abacus (Condorcet winner: wins contests with all other choices)
Even if it won the competition it is a bad choice as there is already
a spreadsheet application out there with this name. See
http://www.freebsdsoftware.org/deskutils/abacus.html
I agree. The sucks. Also the list of names is so bad that I don't
wonder it wins. Even more worse now we destroyed the nice idea the
brand and the app names had :-(
Sorry guys, that was discussed already
Sorry, where was this discussed before? At the sprint where none of
those hacking on Tables participated [*]? In the mail that already
included the list of possible options set in stone [**]?
[*] Wasn't there once the rule that during sprints no decisions should
be made cause it excludes to many non-participants?
I'm not sure about that, but yes... It's not like anyone at the sprint
could decide about a new name for Tables. I understand this vote to be
nothing more than a vote on a selection of ideas that is then proposed
to the Tables team.
Thanks for making the point I try to bring on the table more clear. The
thing is that the selection of names was exactly not what we voted
about. I am not even sure who made that list. In any case I remember
back how we found the Calligra name and found that a very great process.
I mean especially at something like that we could take more time and
have a longer talk. In fact I count at least 3 people who replied to the
initial mail that they do not agree with the process. So, I think we can
optimize that. I mean not only for the case discussed here but just
generally. I think we should
1. start with an initial discussion here on the mailinglist where
nothing but nothing is pre-defined. Just state what is the goal, why and
maybe add an initial list of what people think is good. And then start
from there to see if we can find a common agreement on the list of
names. Personally I think as more input we get as better. So, I would
even not limit that to "only contributors" but just any name-proposal is
a good one.
2. I think all that is related to this should happen at the mailinglist.
I would even go as far to say the voting itself. But then I can
understand that some would like to have a secret voting process. That's
okay. But maybe some would not and they could already "vote" or at least
bring there opinion on the table. We can then see who agrees and who
doesn't. That doesn't any harm except maybe taking longer but then ihmo
something like choosing a name for an application shouldn't be a
5-minute process.
It's up to Marijn, you and other Tables hackers to actually decide
whether to do anything with the result of the vote.
As I wrote in my first reply I would really prefer to not do here a
yes/no voting but get more input/feedback especially from Mek. I would
even have preferred to get that one before we even start to vote.
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But who says all of that still cant happen. And you keep calling it a vote.
Me? Sorry, your initial mail had the subject
"Voting for the best name for the Caligra Spreadsheet Application"
and in your latest mail you wrote
"but in all fairness all proposed names were brought to the vote."
It
was a poll to cut down a list we compiled during the sprint. Out of that poll
comes a suggestion. You are free to make another suggestion.
Is that a proposal to redo the "poll / voting"? Cause else it would not
make any sense... or do you suggest to now take only Abacus (and Tables)
from the list + add my (and other) suggestions and then do the actual
voting on them?
Also I would like clarification about;
1. Do we only take 1 (the proposal with the most votes) from the list or
the first 2 or 3 or... ?
2. What if Mek things "but I think KSpreadsheet would be a nice name too
but I would like to know if others from the community see it the same"?
Do we redo everything then?
3. As basic requirement for such a voting I would like to know who is
allowed to vote. I prefer here an inclusive and not exclusive process
here. In any case it would be nice to know;
a) what are the requirements to be allowed to vote?
b) I like to know who was allowed to vote so I am sure nobody was
excluded (I guess by defining point a we would already cleared that point)
4. How is the counting done?
5. What do others think about the proposed names?
In the end it's
up to Marijn. He could then perhaps set up a formal election or not. But we
don't have unlimited time until the first Calligra release,
Now jaroslaw wrote there are discussions going on since more then a
year... and now shortly before the release it's pushed cause nobody was
motivated to make it a public topic for suggestion before? Now I am very
sure that something smells with the whole decision and voting process.
and cutting away
early ideas that never has a chance will make the rest of the discussions more
qualitative.
And add Grids, Blocks, Boxes, Flat and "Numbers n shit" to the list of
10 possible choices?
I must say I like the Latin derivations of Tables someone proposed too
(because it makes the name distinctive without changing too much). I respect
the poll saying most people like Abacus (I had that on top myself too). But I
also think Spreads is still eligible for further discussions, even though it
only got in second.
So to conclude: Nothing has been decided. I can only assume you have
misunderstood that.
Good to read :-)
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