When I've had RHEL and the support that came with it, I've only used it
a few times, and believe the response every time was a "won't fix".
Always made me wonder what we were paying for in the first place.
Prentice
On 12/9/20 5:44 PM, Lance Wilson via Beowulf wrote:
Rolling is not ideal when you have to compile software against the
installed libraries or kernels. If you have or are running Arch Linux
you will know what I'm talking about. There are regular niggles with
things, especially with compiling your own software that needs
recompiles pretty regularly.
It is very strange they have gone from stable controlled releases to
basically the complete opposite. I'm actually grateful though to have
such a strong reason to move on, as we have had quite a number of
issues with Redhat support where bugs can't/won't be patched. Also if
we move to Ubuntu or Debian we will be much closer to the development
environments for most of our researchers.
Cheers,
Lance
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 20:30, Jonathan Aquilina via Beowulf
<beowulf@beowulf.org <mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org>> wrote:
Seeing that it will be a rolling distribution I don’t see that as
a bad thing in all honesty. Is there something that one needs to
be weary about with a rolling distro?
Regards,
Jonathan
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From: Beowulf <beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org
<mailto:beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org>> On Behalf Of Andrew M.A. Cater
Sent: 09 December 2020 10:24
To: beowulf@beowulf.org <mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org>
Subject: Re: [Beowulf] [External] RIP CentOS 8 [EXT]
On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 05:59:11AM +0000, Jonathan Aquilina via
Beowulf wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Im probably a bit late to the party. What is going on with
CentOS? As I am not quite understanding whats happening.
>
> To be fair I am at the point where I am running through my mind the
> creation of my own distro based off fedora/Centos Stream (once I
know
> what it is)
>
> For me the biggest thing for sticking with Centos and RHEL
derivatives
> is due to security features like SEL amongst other things as well
> there are some interesting developments that I need to try out
such as
> podman (docker alternative)
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan
>
SE Linux - is supported in other distributions now. If you have to
have it - Government / big lab - it's probably Red Hat or nothing,
but there are alternatives (and Red Hat / Oracle are often last to
the party with other CVE fixing).
CentOS - going away, EOL as CentOS 2021 rather than 2029.
CentOS Streams becoming a rolling distribution feeding the six
monthly RH update.
Andy C
> From: Beowulf <beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org
<mailto:beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org>> On Behalf Of Tim Cutts
> Sent: 09 December 2020 02:08
> To: Prentice Bisbal <pbis...@pppl.gov <mailto:pbis...@pppl.gov>>
> Cc: Beowulf <beowulf@beowulf.org <mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Beowulf] [External] RIP CentOS 8 [EXT]
>
> I don’t know how often we ever actually used Red Hat support for
RHEL itself. Very rarely, I suspect. Even before they hiked the
price on us, I expect we effectively paid them several thousand
dollars per support call.
>
> Some of the other products, like RH OpenStack Platform, yes, but
not for the OS itself.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 8 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf
<beowulf@beowulf.org
<mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org><mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org
<mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org>>> wrote:
>
> I think it has mostly to do with user support. The biggest
innovation on moving from Red Hat Linux to Red Hat *Enterprise*
Linux was the addition of user support. Corporations like having
someone to call when something goes wrong. No one wants to hear
"read the source" when the corporate mailserver is down and 5,000
employees are no longer productive.
>
> Red Hat providing user support was actually a big deal for the
Linux community. In the early days of Linux, many 3rd parties
tried to make Linux acceptable to corporate users by providing
Linux support services, but they never really caught. Probably
because they weren't tied to a particular distro, so they weren't
perceived as as "expert" as when the vendor itself is providing
support.
>
> On top of that, Red Hat worked with hardware and software
vendors to get them to support their products on Red Hat. It
wasn't long after RHEL was introduced that you started seeing
hardware and software advertising that it was supported on RHEL.
>
> Combine these two, and you have a recipe for success: People are
more likely to use a version of Linux that comes with user support
and that they know is supported by the hardware/software they use.
>
> To this day, I rarely see hardware/software
advertised/documented as supporting anything other than RHEL.
Fortunately, many of those vendors would treat CentOS and
Scientific Linux the same as RHEL for support reasons. At least
that has been my experience.
>
> Prentice
>
> On 12/8/20 4:50 PM, Jörg Saßmannshausen wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> what I never understood is: why are people not using Debian?
>
> I done some cluster installation (up to 100 or so nodes) with
Debian,
> more or less out of the box, and I did not have any issue with
it. I
> admit, I might have missed out something I don't know about, the
> famous unkown-unkowns, but by enlarge the clusters were running
rock solid with no unusual problem.
> I did not use Lustre or GPFS etc. on it, I only played around a bit
> with BeeFS and some GlusterFS in a small scale.
>
> Just wondering, as people mentioned Ubuntu.
>
> All the best from a dark London
>
> Jörg
>
> Am Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020, 21:12:02 GMT schrieb Christopher
Samuel:
>
> On 12/8/20 1:06 pm, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf wrote:
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if this causes Scientific Linux to come
back
> into existence.
> It sounds like Greg K is already talking about CentOS-NG (via
the ACM
> SIGHPC syspro Slack):
>
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