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On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:50 AM C Bergström <cbergst...@pathscale.com> wrote: > Building cooling maybe.. Then again in the UK I doubt the need would be so > strong. The building from aerial view is ying/yang so it's probably just > design > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:46 AM Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf < > beowulf@beowulf.org> wrote: > >> Yes. Something exactly like that! Is that what that pond is used for? I >> would expect that is much larger than what is needed for a typical data >> center. >> >> Prentice >> >> On 11/05/2018 01:35 PM, John Hearns via Beowulf wrote: >> >> > Honestly, though, I think most of this is moot. With direct-contact >> liquid cooling and warm-water cooling, I think for most data centers, >> cooling to ambient air should be adequate. For >places where that isn't >> enough, I would think a shallow, man-made cooling pond on premises would be >> an adequate heat sink, without having to go all the way to the ocean. By >> keeping >it shallow, at night when it cools off, the pond could dump a lot >> of its heat to the atmosphere. >> >> Something like this perhaps? >> https://youtu.be/0gCXfWCLZAA >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 16:01, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf < >> beowulf@beowulf.org> wrote: >> >>> Prentice >>> >>> On 11/05/2018 06:02 AM, Stu Midgley wrote: >>> >>> As far as I can tell, they are just using the salt water to reject the >>> heat to. How they get the heat from the cpu/hot bits to the water is not >>> clearly stated... >>> >>> A passive heat exchanger would make energy sense... but would cost a >>> bomb in engineering... maybe direct fluid cooling (asetek) with a >>> heat-exchanger to the salt water? >>> >>> Either way, its stupid. They could just easily pump the cool salt water >>> from the ocean into a DC, reject heat to it using the same methods... and >>> pump it back to the ocean. Since no real delta in height, it would be >>> efficient in energy. >>> >>> The issue with this would be the increased maintenance cost of the >>> equipment pumping the salt water to the the DC, do to the corrosion from >>> the salt water, and overall 'dirtiness' of the saltwater. A better approach >>> would be to have a closed loop of treated freshwater going from the data >>> center to the a heat exchanger submerged in the sea. This should reduce >>> maintenance costs for the system. >>> >>> Honestly, though, I think most of this is moot. With direct-contact >>> liquid cooling and warm-water cooling, I think for most data centers, >>> cooling to ambient air should be adequate. For places where that isn't >>> enough, I would think a shallow, man-made cooling pond on premises would be >>> an adequate heat sink, without having to go all the way to the ocean. By >>> keeping it shallow, at night when it cools off, the pond could dump a lot >>> of its heat to the atmosphere. >>> >>> >>> OR... just use a boat... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:27 PM <jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Probably a stupid question here, >>>> >>>> What is the advantage of using salty sea water lets say over for >>>> example >>>> mineral oil? I have seen on you tube these guys showing that a pc will >>>> still run in a fish tank and all components submerged in mineral oil? >>>> Yes it will be messier to change components but would the use of >>>> mineral >>>> oil be more efficient? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2018-11-04 14:10, Gerald Henriksen wrote: >>>> > On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 18:27:05 +0000, you wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> I’m not sure there’s a huge population of Xcloud-Xbox gamers in >>>> >> Orkney. There's not much daylight this time of year, of course, so >>>> >> maybe that's what those Orcadians are up to. >>>> > >>>> > Likely just a convenient place for a second test unit. >>>> > >>>> > In a way this is just an extension of the idea/product Sun came up wth >>>> > where they put a datacentre in a shipping container with the idea that >>>> > you could quickly get the datacentre where it was needed. >>>> > >>>> > While I wouldn't say this won't fail, I think there is a lot of >>>> > attraction to the concept given not just the time lag do build a >>>> > traditional data centre (mentioned in the article), but even the cost >>>> > of real estate in many/most places people live these days. Do you, >>>> > for one example, want to pay NYC rents or just throw a bunch of pods >>>> > in the Hudson? >>>> > >>>> > I guess once you accept the idea that we no longer maintain these >>>> > datacentres in the traditional way - we now just let hardware fail in >>>> > place and ignore it until it's time to replace all the hardware - >>>> > moving to smaller sealed units doesn't seem to strange. >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin >>>> > Computing >>>> > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit >>>> > http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin >>>> Computing >>>> To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit >>>> http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr Stuart Midgley >>> sdm...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing >>> To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit >>> http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing >>> To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit >>> http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing >> To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit >> http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing >> To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit >> http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >> >
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