Building cooling maybe.. Then again in the UK I doubt the need would be so strong. The building from aerial view is ying/yang so it's probably just design
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:46 AM Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf < beowulf@beowulf.org> wrote: > Yes. Something exactly like that! Is that what that pond is used for? I > would expect that is much larger than what is needed for a typical data > center. > > Prentice > > On 11/05/2018 01:35 PM, John Hearns via Beowulf wrote: > > > Honestly, though, I think most of this is moot. With direct-contact > liquid cooling and warm-water cooling, I think for most data centers, > cooling to ambient air should be adequate. For >places where that isn't > enough, I would think a shallow, man-made cooling pond on premises would be > an adequate heat sink, without having to go all the way to the ocean. By > keeping >it shallow, at night when it cools off, the pond could dump a lot > of its heat to the atmosphere. > > Something like this perhaps? > https://youtu.be/0gCXfWCLZAA > > > > > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 16:01, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf < > beowulf@beowulf.org> wrote: > >> Prentice >> >> On 11/05/2018 06:02 AM, Stu Midgley wrote: >> >> As far as I can tell, they are just using the salt water to reject the >> heat to. How they get the heat from the cpu/hot bits to the water is not >> clearly stated... >> >> A passive heat exchanger would make energy sense... but would cost a bomb >> in engineering... maybe direct fluid cooling (asetek) with a >> heat-exchanger to the salt water? >> >> Either way, its stupid. They could just easily pump the cool salt water >> from the ocean into a DC, reject heat to it using the same methods... and >> pump it back to the ocean. Since no real delta in height, it would be >> efficient in energy. >> >> The issue with this would be the increased maintenance cost of the >> equipment pumping the salt water to the the DC, do to the corrosion from >> the salt water, and overall 'dirtiness' of the saltwater. A better approach >> would be to have a closed loop of treated freshwater going from the data >> center to the a heat exchanger submerged in the sea. This should reduce >> maintenance costs for the system. >> >> Honestly, though, I think most of this is moot. With direct-contact >> liquid cooling and warm-water cooling, I think for most data centers, >> cooling to ambient air should be adequate. For places where that isn't >> enough, I would think a shallow, man-made cooling pond on premises would be >> an adequate heat sink, without having to go all the way to the ocean. By >> keeping it shallow, at night when it cools off, the pond could dump a lot >> of its heat to the atmosphere. >> >> >> OR... just use a boat... >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:27 PM <jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> wrote: >> >>> Probably a stupid question here, >>> >>> What is the advantage of using salty sea water lets say over for example >>> mineral oil? I have seen on you tube these guys showing that a pc will >>> still run in a fish tank and all components submerged in mineral oil? >>> Yes it will be messier to change components but would the use of mineral >>> oil be more efficient? >>> >>> >>> On 2018-11-04 14:10, Gerald Henriksen wrote: >>> > On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 18:27:05 +0000, you wrote: >>> > >>> >> I’m not sure there’s a huge population of Xcloud-Xbox gamers in >>> >> Orkney. There's not much daylight this time of year, of course, so >>> >> maybe that's what those Orcadians are up to. >>> > >>> > Likely just a convenient place for a second test unit. >>> > >>> > In a way this is just an extension of the idea/product Sun came up wth >>> > where they put a datacentre in a shipping container with the idea that >>> > you could quickly get the datacentre where it was needed. >>> > >>> > While I wouldn't say this won't fail, I think there is a lot of >>> > attraction to the concept given not just the time lag do build a >>> > traditional data centre (mentioned in the article), but even the cost >>> > of real estate in many/most places people live these days. Do you, >>> > for one example, want to pay NYC rents or just throw a bunch of pods >>> > in the Hudson? >>> > >>> > I guess once you accept the idea that we no longer maintain these >>> > datacentres in the traditional way - we now just let hardware fail in >>> > place and ignore it until it's time to replace all the hardware - >>> > moving to smaller sealed units doesn't seem to strange. >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin >>> > Computing >>> > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit >>> > http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing >>> To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit >>> http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dr Stuart Midgley >> sdm...@gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing >> To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit >> http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing >> To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit >> http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit > http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf > > > _______________________________________________ > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit > http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >
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