On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Nathan Moore wrote:

As I recall, the AHPCRC (in Minneapolis) had one of these "submit via web
gui" systems up and running in the mid-late 90's.  As I was on site, I never
had training on the system, but I remember there being buttons to replicate
almost the entire shell.

I never heard their motivation for developing the system.  Other list
members (Richard Walsh?) might have better memory of the system.

The ATLAS project also had such and interface, and I believe still does.
I want to say that it was a part of that set of grid tools whose name I
can never remember -- Globus?

It may be just what you are looking for if your cluster is very
grid-like in that it primarily runs lots of independent EP tasks.

Look at www.globus.org.  In fact, look at:

http://www.globus.org/grid_software/computation/gram.php

which may be if not exactly what you want, at least a framework you can
work with.

   rgb


NT Moore

On 10/26/07, Bill Bryce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In response to the question:

PBS, Cluster Resources, and LSF all have some type of web portal where
you > can do some of these things. Of course they are commercial and
sometimes
not always the most flexible.

Do they expose some sort of API as well?

There is the DRMAA api that SGE, PBS and yes even for LSF
(http://www.fedstage.com/wiki/FedStage_DRMAA_for_LSF).  That API is used
to create portals, and other submission/management tools.

There is also the HPC Profile Working Group within the OGF that is
moving forward with other interesting projects such as HPCP (High
Performance Computing Profile), BES (Basic Execution Service), and JSDL
(Job Submission Description Language) this all ties into OGSA (they will
be demonstrating this stuff at SC07) a BES implementation is available
at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bespp/

DRMAA has been around longer and is now supported by all major batch
systems, the OGF stuff is pretty new - but interesting.

Bill.


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really?  is it that the can't scrape up enough unix-able people
to keep their clusters busy?  (I would want to know why - for
instance,
do they build clusters that are too small to be interesting, or
somehow
hard to use?  note that it doesn't take much *nix literacy at all to
get along great - mainly it's an issue of whether the user is offended
by anything non-mouse-driven.)

The idea behind this strategy is that if you make your HPC centre
accessible to a large and diverse user community you will be less
susceptible to (minor) problems in your financial support stream since
you broaden up your options.

there have been many systems which aim to reduce real apps to basic
<button>compute!</button> interface.  I've never quite understood why
they're so seductive, since that level of automation is mainly
justified
if you really do wind up pressing the button very frequently.

There are a number of scientific applications with rather well developed
GUIs which are really useful and portable. The next obvious thing to do
is to integrate somehow the GUI with a job manager. I'm not talking here
about interactive steering where such a link is vital. I'm talking about
an interface where you compose your job, submit it and view the result,
and I'm not sure whether a web interface is ideal for this. Some have
done this already, others are still thinking but it would be still worth
the effort to come up with a common API for such programs to use.

PBS, Cluster Resources, and LSF all have some type of web portal where
you > can do some of these things. Of course they are commercial and
sometimes
not always the most flexible.

Do they expose some sort of API as well?

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