Many thanks Karen

A bientôt;

Pascal

> Le 17 mars 2026 à 22:32, Karen Moore <[email protected]> a écrit :
> 
> Hi Pascal,
> 
> Our files now reflect “PDRSequence” (instead of "PDAOReqSequence”).  
> 
> 
> —Files (please refresh)—
> 
> Updated XML file:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.xml
> 
> Updated output files:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.txt
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.pdf
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.html
> 
> Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48diff.html
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48rfcdiff.html (side by side)
> 
> Diff files showing only the changes made during the last edit round:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastdiff.html
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastrfcdiff.html (side by side)
> 
> Diff files showing all changes:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-rfcdiff.html (side by side)
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Karen Moore
> RFC Production Center
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2026, at 2:04 PM, Pascal Thubert <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Karen
>> 
>> Since we rolled back to PDR-ACK I believe we should roll back to  
>> PDRSequence  as well. For consistency.
>> 
>> Does that work for you ?
>> 
>> Pascal
>> 
>>>> Le 17 mars 2026 à 19:50, Karen Moore <[email protected]> a écrit 
>>>> :
>>> 
>>> Dear Rahul and *Ketan (AD),
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your reply.  We have noted Rahul’s approval on the AUTH48 
>>> status page (https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9914).  Note that 
>>> "coma-separated Targets” was already updated to "comma-separated Targets” 
>>> (Section 3.5, 5th paragraph). This is reflected in the diff file at 
>>> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html>. If there is a 
>>> different instance we missed, please let us know.
>>> 
>>> *Ketan, please review the changes in the following sections and let us know 
>>> if you approve.
>>> 
>>> Section 2.4.5
>>> Section 3.2
>>> Section 3.6
>>> Section 3.7.2.3
>>> Section  3.7.2.4
>>> Section 4.2 (added “MUST”)
>>> Section 5.2 (added “MUST”)
>>> Section 5.3 (added “MUST”)
>>> Section 6.4.1 (added “MUST”)
>>> Section 6.8
>>> Section 10
>>> 
>>> Note that the following terms were updated throughout the text:
>>> DAO-ACK —> P-DAO-ACK
>>> PDR —> P-DAO-REQ
>>> PDRSequence  —> PDAOReqSequence
>>> PAREO -> PREOF
>>> 
>>> 
>>> —Files (please refresh)—
>>> 
>>> Updated XML file:
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.xml
>>> 
>>> Updated output files:
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.txt
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.pdf
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.html
>>> 
>>> Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48:
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48diff.html
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48rfcdiff.html (side by side)
>>> 
>>> Diff files showing only the changes made during the last edit round:
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastdiff.html
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastrfcdiff.html (side by side)
>>> 
>>> Diff files showing all changes:
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html
>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-rfcdiff.html (side by side)
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Karen Moore
>>> RFC Production Center
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 17, 2026, at 12:30 AM, Rahul Jadhav <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Team,
>>>> 
>>>> The document is approved from my side.
>>>> 
>>>> Just a small nit "coma-separated Targets" --> "comma-separated Targets".
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Rahul
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 at 08:23, Rahul Jadhav <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hey Karen, Pascal, Team,
>>>> 
>>>> The document has come a long way. Will review the document today and send 
>>>> my response.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Rahul
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 at 03:57, Karen Moore <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hello Pascal,
>>>> 
>>>> We have updated our files to reflect your requested changes. Please review 
>>>> and let us know if you have any further updates.
>>>> 
>>>> We have noted your approval of the document on the AUTH48 status page 
>>>> (https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9914). Currently, we await approvals 
>>>> from Rahul and Michael.
>>>> 
>>>> One additional question.
>>>> 
>>>> 1) We replaced “Transient Failure” with “Reserved” in Table 29. Is an 
>>>> update needed to Section 5.1, which contains this text:
>>>> 
>>>> Current:
>>>> A status of "Transient Failure" (see Section 11.10) is an
>>>> indication that the P-DAO-REQ may be retried
>>>> after a reasonable time that depends on the deployment.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2) FYI: In Section 2.4.5, after the first mention/expansion of “PREOF", we 
>>>> removed “operations” per the context.
>>>> 
>>>> Old:
>>>> It may contain multiple paths that may fork and rejoin and that may
>>>> enable RAW Packet ARQ, Replication, Elimination, and Overhearing
>>>> (PAREO) operations.
>>>> 
>>>> New:
>>>> It may contain multiple paths that may fork and rejoin and that may
>>>> enable RAW Packet Replication, Elimination, and Ordering Functions (PREOF).
>>>> 
>>>> —Files (please refresh)—
>>>> 
>>>> Updated XML file:
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.xml
>>>> 
>>>> Updated output files:
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.txt
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.pdf
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.html
>>>> 
>>>> Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48:
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48diff.html
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48rfcdiff.html (side by 
>>>> side)
>>>> 
>>>> Diff files showing only the changes made during the last edit round:
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastdiff.html
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastrfcdiff.html (side by side)
>>>> 
>>>> Diff files showing all changes:
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-rfcdiff.html (side by side)
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Karen Moore
>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2026, at 6:36 AM, Pascal Thubert <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Karen
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please find my final review of the overall document
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) there still text mentioning PAREO. That term was removed from RAW and 
>>>>> merged into PREOF. Please replace PAREO with PREOF throughout.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) old
>>>>> 
>>>>> The RAW architecture [RAW-ARCH] extends the definition of Track as being 
>>>>> composed of forward directional segments and North-South bidirectional 
>>>>> segments to enable additional path diversity using Packet Replication, 
>>>>> Elimination, and Ordering Functions (PREOF) over the available paths
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> New
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> A recovery graph as in the RAW architecture [RAW-ARCH] can be composed of 
>>>>> forward East-West directional segments and North-South bidirectional 
>>>>> segments to enable additional path diversity using Packet Replication, 
>>>>> Elimination, and Ordering Functions (PREOF) to select the protection 
>>>>> paths to be used for a given datagram.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3) in section 11.10 table 28, bit of value 1 is reserved in section 5.2  
>>>>> so please replace "Transient Failure" with "Reserved".
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4) In section 11.12 the 'B" flag defined in section 5.4 is missing from 
>>>>> table 30. Bit Nb is 1.
>>>>> The text for the capability description would be:
>>>>> "'B" flag: Connectivity to the sibling is roughly symmetrical".
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> When this is fixed I approve this document for publication.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Enjoy the meeting!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pascal
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le jeu. 12 mars 2026 à 23:54, Karen Moore <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> a écrit :
>>>>> Hello again Pascal,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The changes to Sections 2.4.5 and 3.4.1 have been made. Please review the 
>>>>> updated files and let us know if any further changes are needed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Currently, we await approval of the document from each author.
>>>>> 
>>>>> —Files (please refresh)—
>>>>> 
>>>>> Updated XML file:
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.xml
>>>>> 
>>>>> Updated output files:
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.txt
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.pdf
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48:
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48diff.html
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48rfcdiff.html (side by 
>>>>> side)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Diff files showing only the changes made during the last edit round:
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastdiff.html
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastrfcdiff.html (side by side)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Diff files showing all changes:
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-rfcdiff.html (side by side)
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9914
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Karen Moore
>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2026, at 2:12 PM, Pascal Thubert <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello again Karen
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please add "protection" before "path" in
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The concept of a Track was introduced in the 6TiSCH architecture 
>>>>>> [RFC9030] as a collection of potential paths that leverage redundant 
>>>>>> forwarding solutions along the way.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le jeu. 12 mars 2026 à 22:04, Pascal Thubert <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> a écrit :
>>>>>> Hello Karen
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There's an oups about references to detnet  "protection path". Not 
>>>>>> yours, ours.
>>>>>> A Track equates a RAW "recovery graph" not a protection path, see 
>>>>>> section 3 of rfc to be 9912.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please fix section 2.4.5    
>>>>>> Old
>>>>>> The concept of Track is inherited from the 6TiSCH architecture [RFC9030] 
>>>>>> and matches that of a protection path in the RAW architecture [RAW-ARCH].
>>>>>> New
>>>>>> The concept of Track is inherited from the 6TiSCH architecture [RFC9030] 
>>>>>> and equals that of a recovery graph in the RAW architecture [RAW-ARCH].
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks a bunch!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le jeu. 12 mars 2026 à 21:38, Pascal Thubert <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> a écrit :
>>>>>> Excellent!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A bientôt;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Le 12 mars 2026 à 20:34, Karen Moore <[email protected]> a 
>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you!  Please note that I also expanded “PREOF” in Section 
>>>>>>> 3.7.2.4.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>> The RAW architecture [RAW-ARCH] extends the definition of Track as
>>>>>>> being composed of forward directional segments and North-South
>>>>>>> bidirectional segments to enable additional path diversity using
>>>>>>> Packet Replication, Elimination, and Ordering Functions (PREOF) over
>>>>>>> the available paths.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Karen Moore
>>>>>>> RFC Production Center  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2026, at 12:20 PM, Pascal Thubert 
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On it Karen, many thanks!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> A bientôt;
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Le 12 mars 2026 à 19:33, Karen Moore <[email protected]> a 
>>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello Pascal,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We have added “PDR-ACK” to the glossary and have expanded it in the 
>>>>>>>>> title of Section 11.8.  Please review and let us know if any further 
>>>>>>>>> edits are needed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We will await approval of the document from each author prior to 
>>>>>>>>> moving forward with the publication process.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> —Files (please refresh)—
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Updated XML file:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.xml
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Updated output files:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.txt
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.pdf
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48diff.html
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48rfcdiff.html (side 
>>>>>>>>> by side)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing only the changes made during the last edit round:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastdiff.html
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastrfcdiff.html (side by 
>>>>>>>>> side)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-rfcdiff.html (side by side)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9914
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Karen Moore
>>>>>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 11, 2026, at 1:46 PM, Pascal Thubert 
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks Karen!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Now is a good time for the authors to read through and approve.  
>>>>>>>>>> I’ll do so asap!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> One small thing Karen: could you please add PDR-ACK to the glossary?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe also expand PDR-ACK in the title of section 11?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> A bientôt;
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 11 mars 2026 à 21:01, Karen Moore <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We have made these changes (the text now reflects “Projected DAO 
>>>>>>>>>>> Request Acknowledgment (PDR-ACK)” and  “Projected DAO 
>>>>>>>>>>> Acknowledgment (P)”). Please review the updated files and let us 
>>>>>>>>>>> know if any further changes are needed. Note that we will await 
>>>>>>>>>>> approval of the document from each author prior to moving forward 
>>>>>>>>>>> with the IANA updates and publication process.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> —Files (please refresh)—
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Updated XML file:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.xml
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Updated output files:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.txt
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.html
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48rfcdiff.html (side 
>>>>>>>>>>> by side)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing only the changes made during the last edit round:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastdiff.html
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastrfcdiff.html (side 
>>>>>>>>>>> by side)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-rfcdiff.html (side by 
>>>>>>>>>>> side)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9914
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Karen Moore
>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 11, 2026, at 12:35 PM, Pascal Thubert 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please see below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 11 mars 2026 à 20:23, Karen Moore 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Pascal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have made the requested terminology changes.  Please review 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and let us know if any further updates are needed (“P-DAO-REQ” 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the missing piece! Ties it all in nicely.).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) How would you like to handle “PDAOReqSequence” - perhaps 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “PDAOREQSequence”?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > this question s a field not a message name so I do not 
>>>>>>>>>>>> feel the need to do a change. I’d leave it as is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) In Table 25, since “P-DAO-REQ" was expanded, we expanded 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “PDR-ACK”.  It is expanded as "P-DAO Request Acknowledgment 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (PDR-ACK)” earlier in the text so we used that, but if you prefer 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Projected DAO Request Acknowledgment (PDR-ACK)”, please let us 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know (only 2 instances).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal> yes I would prefer with Projected expanded
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) FYI: We updated the expansion of “P-DAO-ACK” to "Projected DAO 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Acknowledgment” (no ‘e’) to match use throughout this document 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (including registry names). (However, if you prefer 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Acknowledgement” (with an ‘e’) throughout, we can make that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change.)  We also added this term to the glossary.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal>  I’m good with no e
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) In Table 32, should “Projected DAO-ACK (P)” be updated as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "P-DAO-ACK (P)” or “Projected DAO Acknowledgment (P)” for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistency?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal> The latter please, expanded.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> —Files (please refresh)—
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will await approvals from each author prior to moving forward 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the publication process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated XML file:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated output files:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48rfcdiff.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing only the changes made during the last edit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastdiff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastrfcdiff.html (side 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-rfcdiff.html (side by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9914
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen Moore
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 11, 2026, at 8:57 AM, Pascal Thubert 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On second (or maybe tenth so sorry) I’d uppercase REQ like ACK 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so we get P-DAO-REQ for the third short name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 11 mars 2026 à 08:34, Pascal Thubert 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks for the PDR-ACK roll back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please change on first use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Projected DAO-ACK  to Projected DAO Acknowledgement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P-DAO Request toProjected DAO Request
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDAOReq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P-DAO-Req
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe we will be all set after that.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again many thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 10 mars 2026 à 22:13, Karen Moore 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Pascal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We went ahead and reverted “PDAOAck” and “PDAORAck” to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “PDR-ACK” so we can start fresh (and we removed these terms 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the glossary). We also updated "0 | PDAOAck request (K)” 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to "0 | PDAOAck requested (K)” in Table 27.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please confirm how you would like to proceed from here with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the terminology or if you would like to make the last updates, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if needed, and provide an updated XML file to us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —Files (please refresh)—
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will await approvals from each author prior to moving 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward in the publication process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated XML file:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated output files:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48rfcdiff.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dif files showing only the changes made during the last edit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastdiff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastrfcdiff.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-rfcdiff.html (side 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9914
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen Moore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 10, 2026, at 10:33 AM, Pascal Thubert 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’re certainly getting there. Once so, I guess Michael and I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will need a complete reread before green-lighting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please see below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 10 mars 2026 à 00:57, Karen Moore 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Pascal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for working closely with us on the terminology 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates. We have attempted to (cautiously) make updates per 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your guidance. Please review the updated files carefully and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us know if  any further changes are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have some additional questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In Sections 6.4.1 and 6.4.2, we updated  "DAO-ACK" to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "P-DAO-ACK". Please review and let us know if any further 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > all good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) We added the following to the glossary - is this correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDAOAck:   P-DAO Acknowledgment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDAORAck: P-DAO Request Acknowledgment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > we have to be consistent in the topic above we are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using P-DAO-ACK and now it becomes PDAOAck. I believe 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P-DAO-ACK is more consistent with RFC 6550.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the new messages maybe we should have followed the same 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logic? Like P-DAOR-ACK?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that in 5.1 the acknowledgment for P-DAO-REQ has become 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P-DAOack as well which is very wrong. It is a P-DAOR-ACK .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The recent changes have distorted the spec confusing the ack 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a P-DAO message and the ACK for a “P-DAO request “ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message. I believe we need to roll back to the version where 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we used PDR and maybe leave it at that. Our tentatives to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differentiate from packet delivery ratio created more 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems than it solved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) In Section 5.2, we updated “PDAOAck” to “PDAORAck”. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and let us know if any further updates are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to the text in other sections (we weren’t sure if 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes were only to be made to Section 5.2 and the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corresponding IANA registry per your comment).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > the change is good insofar we retain the acronym. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same as above, we need only one version, ideally something in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line with RFC 6550
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Are any further changes required to the IANA sections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a)  In Section 11.5 ("RPL Control Codes” registry), we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated the following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Old:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0x0A  |  P-DAO Request Acknowledgement (PDAOAck)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0x0A  |  P-DAO Request Acknowledgement (PDAORAck)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > insofar again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b)   Is this description correct in Table 27, or should it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be "PDAORAck  (K)”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0 | PDAOAck request (K)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > maybe request -> requested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the roll back but at the moment the spec is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unstable…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c) IANA registry names - are these ok as is or should any be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated to “PDAORAck”?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PDAOAck Flags" registry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PDAOAck Acceptance Status Values” registry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PDAOAck Rejection Status Values" registry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal >  In fact  there’s the  pdao message and the pdao 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request message .These are 2 different messages. Each has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an ack. Those acks should be named differently. Section 5.2 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is about the ack to the pdao request. So the replacement of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDR ack to pDAOack created a confusion. I suggest we use 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDAO-Request Acknowledgment (PDAORAck)  as replacement to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PDR-ack throughout, meaning in particular in the IANA 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> section and in 5.2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —Files (please refresh)—
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will await approvals from each author prior to moving 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward in the publication process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated XML file:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated output files:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48rfcdiff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dif files showing only the changes made during the last edit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastdiff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastrfcdiff.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-rfcdiff.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9914
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen Moore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 2026, at 3:06 PM, Pascal Thubert 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Karen:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please see below:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 9 mars 2026 à 21:26, Karen Moore 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pascal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your clarifications. We have updated the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document accordingly.  Please note that we have a few more 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clarifications (almost there!).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Should “PDAOAck” be added to the glossary?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > see below if we’re talking about pdaor-ack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) We noted one instance of “PDRLifetime” in Section 5.1. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Figure 13, we believe this is intended to be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “ReqLifetime” and have updated it as such. Please let us 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know if this is agreeable or incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Old:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A PDR with a fresher PDRSequence refreshes the lifetime, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDRLifetime of 0 indicates that the Track MUST be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destroyed, e.g.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the application that requested the Track terminates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A PDAOReq with a fresher PDAOReq Sequence refreshes the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifetime, and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ReqLifetime of 0 indicates that the Track MUST be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destroyed, e.g.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the application that requested the Track terminates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) We believe the terms below are different then “PDR” and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “PDR-ACK” and have left them as is. However, is “DAO-ACK” 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, or should it be “P-DAO-ACK” for consistency? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Projected DAO-ACK (P-DAO-ACK)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P-DAO-ACK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P-DAO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DAO-ACK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Projected DAO-ACK (P) (IANA)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sections 6.4.1 / 6.4.2 the DAO-ACK is really a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P-DAO-ACK. It’s probably better if you can do the change. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that a P DAO is a DAO that is being projected as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opposed to injected so the text is not incorrect, just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) We updated the name of the "PDR-ACK Flags” registry to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PDAOAck Flags” registry; however, if you prefer "P-DAO 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Request Acknowledgment (PDAOAck)” registry, please let us 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal >  In fact  there’s the  pdao message and the pdao 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request message .These are 2 different messages. Each has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an ack. Those acks should be named differently. Section 5.2 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is about the ack to the pdao request. So the replacement of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDR ack to pDAOack created a confusion. I suggest we use 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDAO-Request Acknowledgment (PDAORAck)  as replacement to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PDR-ack throughout, meaning in particular in the IANA 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> section and in 5.2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —Files (please refresh)—
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will await approvals from each author prior to moving 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward in the publication process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated XML file:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated output files:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48rfcdiff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dif files showing only the changes made during the last 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edit round:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastdiff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-lastrfcdiff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-rfcdiff.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9914
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen Moore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2026, at 11:18 PM, Pascal Thubert 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a million for your deep support on this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavyweight specification!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please see below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 7 mars 2026 à 01:28, Karen Moore 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pascal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your in-depth review and detailed reply.  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have updated our files accordingly; please review 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (the files are below).  We also have some clarifications.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In Section 2.3, we added “DIO” to the glossary. Is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the current ordering okay, or would you like to list the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terms in alphabetical order?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Please use alphabetical order.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) In Section 2.4.3, we removed the quoted text from RFC 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9473 and removed RFC 9473 from the Informative 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> References section (as it is not used elsewhere). We 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated the text as follows. Please let us know if this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is agreeable or if you prefer otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See Section 3.1.1 of [RAW-ARCH] for a longer, more 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern definition of path.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> …
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3)  We updated the sentences in question to reflect 2 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instances of “MUST” as we think this is clearer, and it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matches similar phrasing in Section 6.4.1. Please let us 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know of any objections.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... MUST be set to 0 by the sender and MUST be ignored 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the receiver ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > OK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 29) <!--[rfced] We note the following variation - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "MUST" occurs once in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first sentence and twice in the second. May we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latter sentences to reflect two instances of "MUST" for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistency and clarity (i.e., update to "MUST be set 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to 0 by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sender and MUST be ignored by the receiver")?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (6 instances)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... MUST be set to 0 by the sender and MUST be ignored 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the receiver ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (4 instances)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... MUST be set to 0 by the sender and ignored by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiver ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > please use ‘Perhaps’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> …
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) We made “ingress” and “egress” lowercase in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running text. Note that these terms are capitalized in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Figures 7, 18, and 19 (per the context, we left them as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is). If you prefer lowercase in the figures, please let 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Please leave as is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> …
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) Before making these vast changes, we’d like to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm that each instance of “Storing Mode” and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Non-Storing Mode” should be preceded by “RPL” and that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Mode” should be made lowercase. Is that correct? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Updating these terms in the next edit round should help 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make the diff file review a little easier too.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Hum all things considered I’m happier if we do 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not proceed with this broad change. Those modes are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific to RPL so RPL is already implicated there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would this update be correct: "In a Non-Storing mode RPL 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domain” -> "In a RPL Non-Storing mode domain”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Please leave as is. This would not be quite 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RPL Storing Mode vs. Storing Mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > please use '  RPL Storing Mode "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> f) Regarding "Non-Storing Mode" vs. "Non-Storing Mode 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (MOP)" and "Non-Storing MOP", should any of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instances below be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Non-Storing Mode" or are they correct as is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > they refer to the same thing. When we speak we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "mode", and we mean RPL MOP. Please lowercase 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "mode" or leave the full MOP expanded or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> …
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6) Before applying these terminology changes, we would 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to confirm that the following should be updated as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shown below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) We will update:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - "P-DAO Request (PDR)” to "P-DAO Request (PDAOReq)”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - all instances of “PDR” to “PDAOReq”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - "P-DAO Request Acknowledgement (PDR-ACK)” to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "P-DAO Request Acknowledgement (PDAOAck)”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -  all instances of "PDR-ACK" to “PDAOAck”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Yes please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) Should these field names be updated as well? Any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others we may have missed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDRSequence -> PDAOReqSequence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDR-ACK Status -> PDAOAck Status
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Yes please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c) Should all of these IANA-related updates be made?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Registry names:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Projected DAO Request (PDR) Flags” registry -> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Projected DAO Request (PDAOReq) Flags" registry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PDR-ACK Flags” registry ->  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) "PDAOAck Flags" registry or 2) "P-DAO Request 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Acknowledgement (PDAOAck)" registry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PDR-ACK Acceptance Status Values” registry -> "PDAOAck  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Acceptance Status Values" registry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "PDR-ACK Rejection Status Values” registry -> "PDAOAck 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rejection Status Values" registry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Values:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0x09:   Projected DAO Request (PDR) -> Projected DAO 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Request (PDAOReq)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0x0A:  PDR-ACK -> P-DAO Request Acknowledgement (PDAOAck)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0:   PDR-ACK request (K)  ->  PDAOAck request (K)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Table titles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Table 24:  Initial PDR Flags ->  Initial PDAOReq Flags
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Table 27:  Initial PDR Flags ->  Initial PDAOReq Flags
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Table 28:  Acceptance Values of the PDR-ACK Status ->  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDAOAck Acceptance Status Values
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Table 29:  PDR-ACK Rejection Status Values ->  PDAOAck 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rejection Status Values
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Yes to all, sorry for not catching the collision 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again many thanks!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e) We note the following inconsistencies with the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> companion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document. Please review and let us know if any changes 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document are necessary or if these variations are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "packet delivery ratio (PDR)" (in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft-ietf-raw-architecture-30) vs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "P-DAO Request (PDR)" (in this document)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > I suggest we use PDAOReq and PDAOAck in this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —Files—
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that it may be necessary for you to refresh your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser to view the most recent version. Please review 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the document carefully to ensure satisfaction as we do 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not make changes once it has been published as an RFC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please contact us with any further updates or with your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval of the document in its current form.  We will 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> await approvals from each author prior to moving forward 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the publication process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated XML file:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated output files:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-auth48rfcdiff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diff files showing all changes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-diff.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9914-rfcdiff.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (side by side)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9914
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen Moore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC Production Center
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2026, at 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert via 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auth48archive <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Karen, Rebecca, and all:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks for this huge piece of work!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Can you please make sure that you align my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> author snippet of that of RFC 9912 ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <author initials='P' surname='Thubert' fullname='Pascal 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thubert' role='editor'>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <organization>Independent</organization>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <address>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <postal>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <city>Roquefort-les-Pins</city>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <code>06330</code>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <country>France</country>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </postal>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <email>[email protected]</email>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </address>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </author>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's see below:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le ven. 27 févr. 2026 à 23:02, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Authors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolve (as necessary) the following questions, which 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are also in the source file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) <!--[rfced] Please note that the document title has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been updated as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follows. Abbreviations have been expanded per Section 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.6 of RFC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7322 ("RFC Style Guide"). Please review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The short title that spans the header of the PDF file 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has also been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated to more closely match the document title. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please let us know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of any objection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original (document title):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Root-initiated Routing State in RPL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Root-Initiated Routing State in the Routing Protocol for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Low-Power and Lossy Networks (RPL)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original (short title):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DAO Projection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Root-Initiated Routing State in RPL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > OK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those that appear in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the title) for use on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > IOT SDN DetNet RAW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) <!-- [rfced] Because this document updates RFCs 6550 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 8138,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please review the errata reported for RFC 6550
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/rfc6550) and RFC 8138
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/rfc8138) and let us 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you confirm our opinion that none of them are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the content of this document.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > I confirm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) <!-- [rfced] We have two questions about the text 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, we believe the intention is to cite RFC 6550 as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reference for the term "RPL", so we have updated the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accordingly. If that is not correct and you would like 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the exact title of RFC 6550 in quote marks instead, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please let us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second, would using "as opposed to" rather than 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "versus" be more clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this context? Note that we included parentheses 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the phrase
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting with "versus" to improve readability of this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long sentence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RPL, the "Routing Protocol for Low Power and Lossy 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Networks" [RPL]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (LLNs), is a Distance Vector protocol, which is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well-suited for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application in a variety of low energy Internet of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things (IoT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> networks where constrained nodes cannot maintain the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> full view of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topology, and stretched P2P paths are acceptable vs. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the signaling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and state overhead involved in maintaining the shortest 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paths across.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Routing Protocol for Low Power and Lossy Networks 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (RPL) [RPL]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a Distance Vector protocol that is well-suited for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a variety of low-energy Internet of Things (IoT) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> networks where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constrained nodes cannot maintain the full view of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topology
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and stretched P2P paths are acceptable (versus the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signaling and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state overhead involved in maintaining the shortest 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paths across).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Routing Protocol for Low Power and Lossy Networks 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (RPL) [RPL]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a Distance Vector protocol that is well-suited for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a variety of low-energy Internet of Things (IoT) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> networks where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constrained nodes cannot maintain the full view of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topology
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and stretched P2P paths are acceptable (as opposed to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the signaling and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state overhead involved in maintaining the shortest 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paths across).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > please use 'perhaps'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) <!-- [rfced] Section 2.2 is titled "References". 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This may cause
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confusion with Section 13, which is also titled 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "References".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like to title Section 2.2 as "Terms and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Concepts" or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other for clarity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.2  References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.2 Terms and Concepts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > please use 'perhaps'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6) <!-- [rfced] To improve readability, may we update 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this text to be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unordered list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this document, readers will encounter terms and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concepts that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussed in the "Routing Protocol for Low Power and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lossy Networks"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [RPL], the "6TiSCH Architecture" [RFC9030], the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Deterministic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Networking Architecture" [RFC8655], the "Using RPI 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Option Type,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Routing Header for Source Routes, and IP-in-IP 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Encapsulation in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RPL Data Plane" [RFC9008], the "Reliable and Available 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wireless (RAW)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Architecture" [RAW-ARCHI], and "Terminology in Low 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power And Lossy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Networks" [RFC7102].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this document, readers will encounter terms and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concepts that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussed in the following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * "RPL: IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power and Lossy 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Networks" [RPL]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * "An Architecture for IPv6 over the Time-Slotted 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Channel Hopping Mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of IEEE 802.15.4 (6TiSCH)" [RFC9030]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * "Deterministic Networking Architecture" [RFC8655]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * "Using RPI Option Type, Routing Header for Source 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Routes, and IPv6-in-IPv6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane" [RFC9008]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * "Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) Architecture" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [RAW-ARCH]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * "Terms Used in Routing for Low-Power and Lossy 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Networks" [RFC7102]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > please use 'perhaps'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7) <!-- [rfced] Please clarify "to take the routing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision". Is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended meaning "in order to make the routing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This requires additional control to take the routing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> early enough along the Track to route around the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This requires additional control in order to make the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision early enough along the Track to route around 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > please use 'perhaps'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8) <!--[rfced] Questions related to the Glossary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) Should "DIO" be included in this glossary since SIO, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIO, and VIO are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) FYI: We updated the expansions/descriptions of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "NSM-VIO" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "SM-VIO" for consistency with the other entries (i.e., 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expansion first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then the description). Please let us know of any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> objection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, is "Strict" VIO" correct, or should it be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Stateful VIO" per Table 26?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NSM-VIO:  A Source-Routed Via Information Option, used 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Non-Storing Mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P-DAO messages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SM-VIO:   A strict Via Information Option, used in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storing Mode P-DAO messages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NSM-VIO:  Non-Storing Mode Via Information Option.  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source-routed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VIO used in Non-Storing Mode P-DAO messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SM-VIO:   Storing Mode Via Information Option.  Strict 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VIO used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Storing Mode P-DAO messages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Both strict and stateful are correct. please 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave as is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c) FYI: For consistency, we removed a few instances of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "RPL" and "IPv6" as they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were not a part of the expansions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > OK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9) <!-- [rfced] Section 2.4.3. The definition of "path" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has changed since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [I-D.irtf-panrg-path-properties] was published as RFC 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9473. See Section 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of RFC 9473 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9473.html#name-terminology)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and let us know if we may update this document to match 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RFC 9473.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > Please replace by a reference to RFC 9912: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) Architecture 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> section 3.3.1 since we appear to duplicate the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definition text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Section 2 of [I-D.irtf-panrg-path-properties] points to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a longer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more modern definition of path, which begins as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  A sequence of adjacent path elements over which a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> packet can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  transmitted, starting and ending with a node.  A 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> path is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  unidirectional.  Paths are time-dependent, i.e., the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sequence of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  path elements over which packets are sent from one 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> node to another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  may change.  A path is defined between two nodes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Section 2 of [RFC9473] points to a longer, more modern 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definition of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> path:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  A sequence of adjacent path elements over which a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> packet can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  be transmitted, starting and ending with a node.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  Paths are unidirectional and time dependent, i.e., 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there can be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  variety of paths from one node to another, and the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> path over which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  packets are transmitted may change.  A path 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definition can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  strict (i.e., the exact sequence of path elements 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remains the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  same) or loose (i.e., the start and end node remain 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |  the path elements between them may vary over time).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10) <!--[rfced] We are having trouble parsing this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentence. Should "and"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be "versus" (i.e., the RPL does not behave the same way 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "downwards"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versus "upwards")? If not, please let us know how we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may update for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clarity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RPL does not behave the same way "downwards" (root 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves) with _multicast_ DIO messages that form the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DODAG and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "upwards" (leaves towards root) with _unicast_ DAO 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow the DODAG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RPL does not behave the same way "downwards" (root 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards leaves)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with _multicast_ DODAG Information Object (DIO) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages that form
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the DODAG versus "upwards" (leaves towards root) with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _unicast_ DAO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages that follow the DODAG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > please use 'perhaps'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11) <!--[rfced] FYI: For Figure 1, we moved the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> segments and paths out of the figure. Please review and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know any concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12) <!-- [rfced] How may we clarify what "and" is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connecting in this sentence?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To reach this goal, RPL is primarily designed to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimize the control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plane activity, that is the relative amount of routing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protocol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exchanges vs. data traffic, and the amount of state 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintained in each node.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps A:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To reach this goal, RPL is primarily designed to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimize the control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plane activity (i.e., the relative amount of routing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protocol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exchanges versus data traffic) and the amount of state 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintained in each node.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps B:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To reach this goal, RPL is primarily designed to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimize the control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plane activity (i.e., the relative amount of routing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protocol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exchanges versus data traffic and the amount of state 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintained in each node).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > please use 'perhaps A'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13) <!--[rfced] Does "upon traffic" mean "upon 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving traffic"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The maintenance is lazy, either reactive upon traffic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow background process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The maintenance is lazy; it is either reactive upon 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic or a slow background process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > please use 'perhaps'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14) <!--[rfced] Does "join the dots" mean "connect" in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these sentences? In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the second sentence, are Storing Mode P-Routes deployed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connect segments to the Track Instance?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the simplest mode of this specification, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storing-Mode P-Routes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be deployed to join the dots of a loose source 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routing header
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (SRH) in the main DODAG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the simplest mode of this specification, Storing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mode P-Routes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be deployed to connect a loose SRH in the main 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DODAG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for the main DODAG, segments associated to the Track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instance may be deployed to join the dots using 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storing-Mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P-Routes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for the main DODAG, Storing Mode P-Routes may be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deployed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connect segments to the Track Instance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > "join the dots of" means "complete the path 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between".   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the simplest mode of this specification, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storing-Mode P-Routes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be deployed to join the dots of a loose source 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routing header
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (SRH) in the main DODAG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the simplest mode of this specification, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storing-Mode P-Routes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be deployed to complete the path between the hops 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described in the loose source routing header
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (SRH) in the main DODAG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for the main DODAG, segments associated to the Track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instance may be deployed to join the dots using 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storing-Mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P-Routes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for the main DODAG, segments associated to the Track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instance may be deployed to establish the complete path 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between loose Source-Routing hops using segments 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed as Storing-Mode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P-Routes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15) <!-- [rfced] Should "The first and strict order" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and "The second strict and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial order" be updated as follows to "The first 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strict order" and "The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second strict order", respectively?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first and strict order relates to the forwarding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> method and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more specifically the origin of the information used in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the next-hop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The second strict and partial order is between RPL 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first strict order relates to the forwarding method 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and, more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically, the origin of the information used in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next-hop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The second strict order is between RPL Instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal > please retain the original text for the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second. Strict means < as opposed to <= . Partial means 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that not all are compared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first order is strict and complete, and relates to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the forwarding method and, more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically, the origin of the information used in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next-hop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The second order is strict and partial, and applies 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between RPL Instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16) <!--[rfced] We are having trouble parsing this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentence. Please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clarify what defines a DODAG of underlays with the main 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the Root.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That order must be defined by the administrator for the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RPL domain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defines a DODAG of underlays with the main Instance 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as Root.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pascal  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That order must be defined by the administrator for the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RPL domain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and defines a DODAG of underlay RPL instances with the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main Instance as Root.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17) <!--[rfced] Please clarify what "it" refers to in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "When it is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communicated".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When it is not communicated, the RPL nodes consider by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that all Track instances are children of the main 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 

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