"that it doesn't indicate a change in value, only indicates that it's 
changing to something "

And that is where I have a problem...  It mostly indicates something is 
changing, but not always.  It could have a value when nothing has changed. 
 So there's no point in using it.  It adds complication without adding 
value.

Thad Esser
Remedy Developer
"Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours."-- Richard 
Bach



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The problem is that some people wouldn't have the proper matching 'DB.
statement after it...which makes this statement work well....but if you
remove that last statement you then have the situation where TR =
"Completed", but it was already completed...and you didn't want to do
that....that's the major gripe I have seen about TR...that it doesn't
indicate a change in value, only indicates that it's changing to something 


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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:24 PM
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Here is a piece of workflow that I have in my system today that uses TR 
and
it should.

( 'RecordUploadStatus' = "Uploaded") AND ( 'Emp_EntryID' !=  $NULL$ ) AND 
(
'ClassNameID' !=  $NULL$ ) AND ( 'TR.lesson_status' =  "Completed" ) AND (
'DB.lesson_status' !=  "Completed" )

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I think questions about:

1) Field Ids
2) Workflow naming
3) How do you document what you have done
   (and this is a biggy, the WHY stuff was done is usually left out)

The responses to those 3 open ended questions tell you alot.

I had one senior person tell me recently that he didn't think there was 
any
reason to choose your own field ids for a custom module (on a system with
the ITSM6 suite).

Didn't get a chance to show him how much workflow I had been able to 
borrow
from ITSM6 for the custom module by using the same field ids for the
standard fields and then just copying the workflow with new naming (so
changes for the ITSM module, or BMC patches would not affect the workflow
that I borrowed).

... Daniel

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Well, I can only speak for myself, but I normally use the TR. prefix, just
so you can look at the qualification at a glance and understand what it
means.  It reminds me of C and Java programmers who omit braces when they
aren't necessary.  Sure, it's legal, but is it more readable?  Too often 
we
forget that code may be written once, but read hundreds of times (e.g., by
beleaguered maintenance programmers at 3:00 AM).

I'd much rather argue over whether you should ever let the admin tool pick
your field IDs and whether workflow names should be meaningful rather than
over syntactic sugar.

--Tim

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