Frankly, I don’t think blocking off existing players from getting space they 
need in order to save space for possible future entrants is good policy.

I do think we need to make sure that we avoid deadly embrace in the transfer 
market where new players can’t even get a transfer simply because they can’t 
get upstream space or meet some other prior-space requirement before being able 
to seek out space in the transfer market.

However, I also think it is bad policy to make those policies any more liberal 
for transfers than they are for what is left of the ARIN free pool.

Hence, I support something like what Scott has posted, but I believe it is 
necessary to remove the “transfer only” clause from it.

Owen

On Nov 24, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Bill Darte <[email protected]> wrote:

> New entrants cannot hope to compete in a long term strategy with only limited 
> amounts of v4.  So they will have to go to the transfer market if they need 
> more.  Isn't the transfer market about enabling people who 'really want or 
> need' v4 that opportunity.  But, I agree that having some v4 for start ups is 
> probably still a requirement for now, so I would consider a single small 
> block.....still, if v6 deployment is delayed longer than we hope, then the v4 
> for new entrants may still run out.  What do we do for those folks.....  We 
> cannot continue to move the deck chairs to forestall the move to v6 
> forever....
> 
> bd
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM, CJ Aronson <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, but it limits that use to strictly transitional technology deployment, 
> not general IPv4 utilization.
> 
> 
> I think this is something we should be discussing.  Right now the only post 
> run out policy ARIN has is for the last /10.  You  can get a block (very 
> small) out of this for transition technologies only.  There is no provision 
> for new entrants except the transfer market in the ARIN region.  
> 
> So some of us, and Scott started the discussion going, want to clean up the 
> policy manual so that it makes sense for ARIN post run out.  We could also 
> make a policy like in the other regions that gives a specific size block to 
> everyone (or maybe just new entrants?) out of some of the last space.  If we 
> are going to add the second option then time is really short.  
> 
> we made the final /10 policy a very long time ago and maybe not everyone 
> realizes it is just for transition? Do people still think this makes sense?  
> 
> Thanks!
> ----Cathy
> 
> 
> 
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