Yup that's true about revenue generation but the other RIRs seem thrilled to have the new members and the "little guys" can still get that one final /22.
Cathy Sent from a handheld device. On Nov 23, 2013, at 9:37 PM, joel jaeggli <[email protected]> wrote: > On 11/22/13, 2:32 PM, CJ Aronson wrote: >> This is why RIPE and APNIC both have their last /8 policy. Anyone can >> get a /22 once out of the last /8 (til there are no more). Both are now >> signing up tons of new customers. Both are generating a large amount >> of revenue. The small guys can all get their /22. Just sayin' > > Revenue generation is wierdly, not goal of RIR operation. > >> -----Cathy >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Kevin Blumberg <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> David, >> >> There are going to be lots of reasons why an ISP can't provide space >> to a downstream post run out, even when on paper they have space. >> >> 1) Space dedicated to another region >> 2) Cost Prohibitive for downstream due to cost recovery. >> 3) Forward looking project that fits within the 24 month window. >> >> I can see the conversation now. >> >> Downstream: I need a /24 of IP space >> Upstream: NO >> Downstream: Ok, I'm telling on you. >> Upstream: We didn't sign the contract, find someone else to provide >> service. >> >> In a primary market there are going to be "others". In a secondary >> market you will be out of luck. >> >> We can't wrap this policy in a complicated beat stick. If a company >> has a need for an initial allocation >> They are going to have to go to the transfer market. We should be >> able to give them the initial allocation without adding complexity. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kevin >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of David Farmer >> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 2:26 PM >> To: Brandon Ross; Jo Rhett >> Cc: ARIN-PPML List >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Bootstrapping new entrants after IPv4 >> exhaustion >> >> On 11/22/13, 08:50 , Brandon Ross wrote: >>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Jo Rhett wrote: >>> >>>> I'd like to see some actual documented issues with this. Almost >>>> everyone I know is sitting on large amounts of smaller blocks they >>>> can easily allocate to people. It's the larger (/21 or greater) >>>> blocks which are becoming scarce. >>> >>> What kind of documentation are you looking for? >> >> I would think an a copy of an email or a letter from the upstream >> which confirms the upstream can't/won't provide them address space, >> for some reason other than they don't think the customer justifies >> additional address space. >> >> It is unfair for ARIN to withhold address space because the upstream >> has address space but won't provide it to the requester for what >> ever reason. I think it is reasonable to require some confirming >> documentation that the upstream is not providing address space. You >> can't just "say" your ISP is not providing it. >> >> However, if an ISP is saying you don't justify additional address >> space, then you shouldn't qualify for address space from ARIN under >> an exception like this. >> >> Also, ARIN should be able to refuse if they feel there is collusion >> between an ISP and a requester. >> >> Thanks. >> -- >> ================================================ >> David Farmer Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Office of Information Technology >> University of Minnesota >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 <tel:1-612-626-0815> >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 >> <tel:1-612-812-9952> ================================================ >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the >> ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you >> experience any issues. >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you >> experience any issues. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). 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