Owen, I agree with you that we need to avoid the deadly embrace: that is the main reason for proposing this, so we're in full agreement there.
I'm not sure that it would be a good idea, though, to let any organization, not matter how small, get an IPv4 /24 from ARIN's free pool without any real restrictions. I am much more comfortable allowing an organization to get such a /24 via transfer, where they have to have at least enough need for the space to justify spending the money for it. In any event, I wonder if we should first focus on the less controversial fix, and make sure that anyone who can justify the need for a /24 or larger can get it somehow or other, and separately look into the possibility of portable space for organizations needing less than a /24. -Scott On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > Frankly, I don’t think blocking off existing players from getting space > they need in order to save space for possible future entrants is good > policy. > > I do think we need to make sure that we avoid deadly embrace in the > transfer market where new players can’t even get a transfer simply because > they can’t get upstream space or meet some other prior-space requirement > before being able to seek out space in the transfer market. > > However, I also think it is bad policy to make those policies any more > liberal for transfers than they are for what is left of the ARIN free pool. > > Hence, I support something like what Scott has posted, but I believe it is > necessary to remove the “transfer only” clause from it. > > Owen > > On Nov 24, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Bill Darte <[email protected]> wrote: > > New entrants cannot hope to compete in a long term strategy with only > limited amounts of v4. So they will have to go to the transfer market if > they need more. Isn't the transfer market about enabling people who > 'really want or need' v4 that opportunity. But, I agree that having some > v4 for start ups is probably still a requirement for now, so I would > consider a single small block.....still, if v6 deployment is delayed longer > than we hope, then the v4 for new entrants may still run out. What do we > do for those folks..... We cannot continue to move the deck chairs to > forestall the move to v6 forever.... > > bd > > > On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM, CJ Aronson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Yes, but it limits that use to strictly transitional technology >>> deployment, not general IPv4 utilization. >>> >>> >> I think this is something we should be discussing. Right now the only >> post run out policy ARIN has is for the last /10. You can get a block >> (very small) out of this for transition technologies only. There is no >> provision for new entrants except the transfer market in the ARIN region. >> >> So some of us, and Scott started the discussion going, want to clean up >> the policy manual so that it makes sense for ARIN post run out. We could >> also make a policy like in the other regions that gives a specific size >> block to everyone (or maybe just new entrants?) out of some of the last >> space. If we are going to add the second option then time is really short. >> >> >> we made the final /10 policy a very long time ago and maybe not everyone >> realizes it is just for transition? Do people still think this makes sense? >> >> >> Thanks! >> ----Cathy >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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