On 11/22/13, 2:32 PM, CJ Aronson wrote: > This is why RIPE and APNIC both have their last /8 policy. Anyone can > get a /22 once out of the last /8 (til there are no more). Both are now > signing up tons of new customers. Both are generating a large amount > of revenue. The small guys can all get their /22. Just sayin'
Revenue generation is wierdly, not goal of RIR operation. > -----Cathy > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Kevin Blumberg <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > David, > > There are going to be lots of reasons why an ISP can't provide space > to a downstream post run out, even when on paper they have space. > > 1) Space dedicated to another region > 2) Cost Prohibitive for downstream due to cost recovery. > 3) Forward looking project that fits within the 24 month window. > > I can see the conversation now. > > Downstream: I need a /24 of IP space > Upstream: NO > Downstream: Ok, I'm telling on you. > Upstream: We didn't sign the contract, find someone else to provide > service. > > In a primary market there are going to be "others". In a secondary > market you will be out of luck. > > We can't wrap this policy in a complicated beat stick. If a company > has a need for an initial allocation > They are going to have to go to the transfer market. We should be > able to give them the initial allocation without adding complexity. > > Thanks, > > Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of David Farmer > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 2:26 PM > To: Brandon Ross; Jo Rhett > Cc: ARIN-PPML List > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Bootstrapping new entrants after IPv4 > exhaustion > > On 11/22/13, 08:50 , Brandon Ross wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Jo Rhett wrote: > > > >> I'd like to see some actual documented issues with this. Almost > >> everyone I know is sitting on large amounts of smaller blocks they > >> can easily allocate to people. It's the larger (/21 or greater) > >> blocks which are becoming scarce. > > > > What kind of documentation are you looking for? > > I would think an a copy of an email or a letter from the upstream > which confirms the upstream can't/won't provide them address space, > for some reason other than they don't think the customer justifies > additional address space. > > It is unfair for ARIN to withhold address space because the upstream > has address space but won't provide it to the requester for what > ever reason. I think it is reasonable to require some confirming > documentation that the upstream is not providing address space. You > can't just "say" your ISP is not providing it. > > However, if an ISP is saying you don't justify additional address > space, then you shouldn't qualify for address space from ARIN under > an exception like this. > > Also, ARIN should be able to refuse if they feel there is collusion > between an ISP and a requester. > > Thanks. > -- > ================================================ > David Farmer Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 <tel:1-612-626-0815> > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 > <tel:1-612-812-9952> ================================================ > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the > ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you > experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you > experience any issues. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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