Yeah, we could give a fuck less about IT services I guess, everybody and their 
brother has a "solution", often for "problems" people didn't even know they 
have. We're more focused on building middle and last mile infrastructure. 
That's what's really lacking out here.

You're on the outskirts of a well established major metro, probably just trying 
to find some service or offering to make a buck. Don't think I'm being 
derogatory or knocking you, I'm not, just thinking it's more of a crazy rat 
race where you are.

I'm in the process of working with our economic development commission to 
connect anchor institutions together for a co-op / Native fiber project... 
Basically to cut transport costs by 50%, and to provide better transport 
infrastructure to homes and businesses in an area the size of the state of 
Indiana. I guess that's where my focus on infrastructure comes from. 

On January 7, 2015 9:53:23 AM AKST, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
>Different clients I guess? Then we also do more than just e-mail. Host
>various other things on our vSphere cluster (soon to be clusters), VPLS
>transport, voice, etc. 
>
>I don't know any businesses using Google and only one that uses 365 and
>that's only three or four HR accounts to not have to bring the 1,500
>box mailserver HIPPA compliant. 
>
>
>
>
>----- 
>Mike Hammett 
>Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>http://www.ics-il.com 
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> 
>To: [email protected], "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> 
>Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 12:49:29 PM 
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions 
>
>Anybody we talk to either has business email through office 360 or
>google, or home email through google, apple, microsoft, or yahoo. 
>
>They also normally are running those providers apps and services. 
>
>Running your own email server for clients was awesome back in the
>dialup days, but that was at least a decade ago for most. 
>
>
>On January 7, 2015 9:31:45 AM AKST, Mike Hammett <[email protected]>
>wrote: 
>
>
>Doesn't take much time or money and the system is already there for
>supporting businesses. 
>
>You do have businesses in Alaska, don't you? :-p 
>
>Plus performance (for those business clients). Talking to DJ that
>manages the WISPA lists. My mail servers (I have seven VMs, though two
>are for authentication) are among the fastest to respond out of the 4k
>addresses that run through there. The businesses like that performance.
>It's always that their mail server is too slow, not mine. 
>
>
>
>
>----- 
>Mike Hammett 
>Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>http://www.ics-il.com 
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> 
>To: [email protected], "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> 
>Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 12:17:02 PM 
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions 
>
>Why provide a service that costs you time and money when others provide
>a better service for free that they (customers) have access to with
>your internet service? Just doesn't make any sense. This isn't 1998. 
>
>
>On January 7, 2015 8:39:48 AM AKST, Mike Hammett <[email protected]>
>wrote: 
><blockquote>
>
>I think every time this comes up there's a few people (myself included)
>that say go Zimbra. Most just say &^*& it. 
>
>
>
>
>----- 
>Mike Hammett 
>Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>http://www.ics-il.com 
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: "Christopher Tyler" <[email protected]> 
>To: [email protected] 
>Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 9:14:54 AM 
>Subject: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions 
>
>So... Has anyone found a good solution for Gmail yet? If so I would
>love to hear it. 
>
>Also does anyone know if the free service is also going away or was it
>just Apps for ISP's paid? We have one domai n that was grandfathered in
>and one that is paid. Just wondering if we'll have to migrate the free
>account as well. 
>
>
>
>
></blockquote>
>
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