You propose to add `Type=Webapp` to the desktop entry specification. Thus, please provide the exact semantics of you proposal, ideally in a way that is easy to understand for someone who has read the spec instead of the mail backlog.
>From what I understand about your proposal though, it seems to me that you want semantics that are similar to `Terminal=true` but for web applications. You might want to evaluate solutions that work similarly to terminal applications and thus won't require a new desktop entry `Type`. Regards, piegames On Mon, 2020-09-21 at 21:59 +0300, Genghis Khan wrote: > Friends, good evening > > Allow me to begin and state, that no matter how big an operation is > and no matter which industry (i.e. Computing, Entertainment etc.), it > appears that we ALWAYS HAVE TO make Trials & Errors in order for us > to > observe and see what we want for our audience, even in times we don't > trust our own judgement. > > I have stumbled upon an ArchLinux package[0] made specifically for > a > WebApp called Converse.js[1] by XMPP community members. > > That package deploys Epiphany (A GNOME web browser) and npm (A > package manager for javascript). > > Regardless of what anyone thinks of the planning of that > WebApp-specific-package, I think it might be a good call for > considering Type=Webappn in .desktop launchers. > > [0]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/conversejs-epiphany-git/ > [1]: https://conversejs.org/ > > Kind regards, > --GK > > On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:45:52 +0100 > "Genghis Khan" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 8:43 PM > > > From: "Giles Atkinson" <[email protected]> > > > To: "'Genghis Khan'" <[email protected]> > > > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Type=Webapp > > > > > > Genghis, > > > > > > I think it is not completely defined yet, as the handling of > > > parameters may be more complex than it looks. Since the desktop > > > file will be claiming one or more URI schemes, it must be able to > > > handle complete URIs of those schemes. But your original > > > proposal > > > was to handle URI fragments, and format them into a template URI. > > > The template for complete URIs may need to be different to that > > > for > > > fragments. I think that could be handled by allowing multiple > > > Link > > > lines with different substitution keys: > > > > > > [Desktop Entry] > > > Version=1.1 > > > Type=Link > > > NoDisplay=false > > > Name=KiwiIRC > > > Comment=Chat over the Internet Relay Chat network > > > Link=https://irc.freedesktop.org/server/%u > > > Link=https://irc.freedesktop.org/handle/%s > > > Icon=kiwiirc > > > MimeType=x-scheme-handler/irc; > > > Actions=Nickname;Register;MOTD; #actions might be useful > > > > > > Here '%s' is a fragment substitution. The desktop software must > > > parse the string it is given to see if it is a valid URI for a > > > scheme that the Desktop File claims. If so, it looks for a Link > > > line with %u substitution. Othersise it looks for one with %s. > > > > > > It would also be good to handle ordinary MIME types and file > > > data. > > > But I think that will require a new spec for a method to pass a > > > URI > > > and file(s) to a browser, with the files becoming default uploads > > > if > > > the page requests them. > > > > > > Does this make sense? > > > > > > > I don't know. > > > > I suggest to open a bug report for enhancement, and discuss > > everything > > on the bug tracker. > > > > > Giles > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Genghis Khan [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: 11 January 2016 6:21 AM > > > To: Giles Atkinson > > > Cc: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Type=Webapp > > > > > > Please ignore my last post. > > > This is what Type=Link already provides. > > > > > > Giles, would you like to send an enhancement request to the > > > bug tracker? > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 at 2:08 PM > > > > From: "Genghis Khan" <[email protected]> > > > > To: "Giles Atkinson" <[email protected]> > > > > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Type=Webapp > > > > > > > > Giles, > > > > > > > > Below is a note I forgot to add in my last message. > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 at 7:57 PM > > > > > From: "Giles Atkinson" <[email protected]> > > > > > To: "'Genghis Khan'" <[email protected]> > > > > > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > Subject: RE: RE: RE: Type=Webapp > > > > > > > > > > Genghis, > > > > > > > > > > > > That seems a good idea, but it is not clear that it needs > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > new sub-type. Have you considered the alternative of > > > > > > > extending the Link format? > > > > > > No, I don't think we need to extend the link format, > > > > > > because > > > > > > it is almost identical to Application type, they are both a > > > > > > Desktop Entry, but I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > What I mean is that I think the "Type=Webapp" is not needed, > > > > > and your example could look like this. > > > > > > > > > > [Desktop Entry] > > > > > Version=1.1 > > > > > Type=Link > > > > > NoDisplay=true > > > > > Name=KiwiIRC > > > > > Comment=Chat over the Internet Relay Chat network > > > > > Link=https://irc.freedesktop.org/%u > > > > > Icon=kiwiirc > > > > > MimeType=x-scheme-handler/irc; > > > > > Actions=Nickname;Register;MOTD; #actions might be useful > > > > > > > > > > So what would be added is the new key "Link" that defines a > > > > > URI with substitution(s).The Desktop file could also contain > > > > > the "URL" key, to specify a separate URI to be used when no > > > > > parameter is passed. And Link type Desktop files can now > > > > > have Actions, with their own Link and URL keys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how to realize it in the est way, but please take > > > > into consideration, if you did not, that one might want to use > > > > a Webapp to handle a protocol (e.g. feed: for RSS feeds) where > > > > we use NoDisplay=true, and also to use a Webapp as is, which is > > > > a case where we *would not* use NoDisplay=true. > > > > > > > > Examples: Chat clients and Feed Readers (TinyTinyRSS). > > > > > > > > Sometimes, I would want to subscribe to a feed with > > > > TinyTinyRSS, > > > > and sometimes, I would want to check for news updates. > > > > > > > > > > Type=Link already does it. > > > > > > > > > > I notice that the current spec does not describe the > > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > behaviour of Link and Directory files at all! > > > > > > This is not directly related to our issue, am I correct? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I think so. > > > > > > > > > > > What is Directory file? > > > > > > > > > > A special type of Desktop file. I think it is used only with > > > > > the > > > > > XDG Menu spec. > > > > > > > > > > Giles > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Genghis Khan [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > Sent: 07 January 2016 3:55 PM > > > > > To: Giles Atkinson > > > > > Cc: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: Type=Webapp > > > > > > > > > > Hallo, > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 at 12:47 PM > > > > > > From: "Giles Atkinson" <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: "'Genghis Khan'" <[email protected]> > > > > > > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > > Subject: RE: RE: Type=Webapp > > > > > > > > > > > > Genghis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please pardon me for being unclear. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not think your posting unclear, but the details need > > > > > > to be worked out and described unambiguously before a new > > > > > > file sub-type can be added to the spec. The existing > > > > > > specification could use some improvements in this area (see > > > > > > below). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. It was a note to myself ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I have answered to your queries, but, if you may, please > > > > > > > elaborate on the following part of your message: > > > > > > > > so is it intended purely for the "application" argument > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > "xdg-mime default"? If not, what does it do? > > > > > > > > > > > > In my (limited) experience adding a desktop file with a > > > > > > MimeType line does not register a new MIME data handler > > > > > > with > > > > > > the Desktop system. In fact it seems to have no effect at > > > > > > all. I have tested KDE, Unity and (IIRC) GNOME. To add a > > > > > > handler, the "xdg-mime default" must be used to associate > > > > > > the > > > > > > MIME type with the desktop file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, indeed so. Now, I understand what you meant by "xdg- > > > > > mime". > > > > > > > > > > Webapp launchers are to be included, by user demand, in: > > > > > defaults.list > > > > > mimeapps.list > > > > > > > > > > > The spec says this about the MimeType key: > > > > > > > > > > > > The MimeType key is used to indicate the MIME Types that an > > > > > > application knows how to handle. It is expected that for > > > > > > some > > > > > > applications this list could become long. An application is > > > > > > expected to be able to reasonably open files of these types > > > > > > using the command listed in the Exec key. > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be no priority for MIME Types in this field, > > > > > > or > > > > > > any form of priority in the desktop file. Priority for > > > > > > applications is handled external to the .desktop files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That suggests that there is no requirement for the key to > > > > > > do > > > > > > anything by itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Desktop Entry of type Webapp, which is, eventually, a hybrid > > > > > of > > > > > types Application and Link would certainly use "xdg-mime" as > > > > > it > > > > > is with Application type and would behave as a Desktop Entry > > > > > of > > > > > type Application. > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, there is no Exec key, only Link key, and such > > > > > > > launchers would be activated with a default web browser, > > > > > > > similarly to entries of Type=Link. > > > > > > > > The meaning of the Link item is unclear. The spec > > > > > > > > defines the %u substitution as handling a URL, but > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > > > > is already in the tail of a URL. > > > > > > > Yes, this is because I did not figure of a better way to > > > > > > > realize it, so I did it in a similar manner to how it is > > > > > > > done within web browsers with what is known as "smart > > > > > > > bookmarks". See http://ptaff.ca/smart/ > > > > > > > > > > > > My French is not great, but if I interpreted that > > > > > > correctly, > > > > > > you are proposing nothing more than a parameterised variant > > > > > > of a Link desktop file. > > > > > > > > > > I think so, yes. > > > > > > > > > > > That seems a good idea, but it is not clear that it needs a > > > > > > new sub-type. Have you considered the alternative of > > > > > > extending the Link format? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I don't think we need to extend the link format, because > > > > > it is almost identical to Application type, they are both a > > > > > Desktop Entry, but I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > I notice that the current spec does not describe the > > > > > > expected > > > > > > behaviour of Link and Directory files at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not directly related to our issue, am I correct? > > > > > What is Directory file? > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Giles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Genghis Khan [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > Sent: 07 January 2016 8:39 AM > > > > > > To: Giles Atkinson > > > > > > Cc: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: Re: RE: Type=Webapp > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Giles, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please pardon me for being unclear. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have answered to your queries, but, if you may, please > > > > > > elaborate on the following part of your message: > > > > > > > > > > > > > so is it intended purely for the "application" argument > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > "xdg-mime default"? If not, what does it do? > > > > > > > > > > > > See rest of message below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 at 5:34 PM > > > > > > > From: "Giles Atkinson" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: "'Genghis Khan'" <[email protected]>, > > > > > > > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Type=Webapp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Genghis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this needs additional explanation. My guess is > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > such entries are not expected to be visible > > > > > > > (NoDisplay=true), so is it intended purely for the > > > > > > > "application" argument of "xdg-mime default"? If not, > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > does it do? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, mostly, but not exclusively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Such entries are mostly to be used with invoking protocols > > > > > > such as irc://, sip:, tox:, xmpp: or files such as ODT, TXT > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet these entries may also be used as standalone launchers > > > > > > and, as such, are to be visible (NoDisplay=false). > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you expect a Desktop File of this type to be > > > > > > > activated? What do you expect to happen when such an > > > > > > > entry > > > > > > > is activated (there is no Exec key)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, there is no Exec key, only Link key, and such > > > > > > launchers would be activated with a default web browser, > > > > > > similarly to entries of Type=Link. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meaning of the Link item is unclear. The spec defines > > > > > > > the %u substitution as handling a URL, but yours is > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > in the tail of a URL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this is because I did not figure of a better way to > > > > > > realize it, so I did it in a similar manner to how it is > > > > > > done > > > > > > within web browsers with what is known as "smart > > > > > > bookmarks". > > > > > > See http://ptaff.ca/smart/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Giles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: xdg [mailto:[email protected]] On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Genghis Khan Sent: 06 January 2016 11:47 AM > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Type=Webapp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This might also be used for editing documents with online > > > > > > > word processors or spreadsheet editors etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 at 6:43 AM > > > > > > > > From: "Genghis Khan" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Subject: Type=Webapp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hallo, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to propose a new type of Desktop shortcut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Type=Webapp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of having to repeat a Register Protocol Handler > > > > > > > > procedure to add a "webapp", I suggest to create a > > > > > > > > .desktop file to directory .local/share/applications/ > > > > > > > > instead of or in addition to this procedure for two > > > > > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Not to have to repeat this procedure with every web > > > > > > > > browser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The ability to access a "webapp" with a click on a > > > > > > > > hyperlink in applications that are not web browsers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Referring to API: > > > > > > > > window.navigator.registerProtocolHandler(protocol, uri, > > > > > > > > title); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Type=Webapp is mostly, if not solely, intended for > > > > > > > > associating web browsers with protocol MIME types. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example Desktop Entry File (KiwiIRC as an example) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Desktop Entry] > > > > > > > > Version=2.0 > > > > > > > > Type=Webapp > > > > > > > > NoDisplay=true > > > > > > > > Name=KiwiIRC > > > > > > > > Comment=Chat over the Internet Relay Chat network > > > > > > > > Link=https://irc.freedesktop.org/%u > > > > > > > > Icon=kiwiirc > > > > > > > > MimeType=x-scheme-handler/irc; > > > > > > > > Actions=Nickname;Register;MOTD; #actions might be > > > > > > > > useful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your opinions and thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > --GK > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > xdg mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > xdg mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg > _______________________________________________ > xdg mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg _______________________________________________ xdg mailing list [email protected] https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg
