Hi Stan,

I see that the problem seems to be in Sonoma, not in Java or Netbeans.

We can do little to solve it, but at least I feel calmer for not being alone. 😉

Anyway, thank you very much for the response.

Best!
— — — 
Juan Miguel Escribano

On 16/04/2024 10:14, Giles Winstanley wrote:
> Hi Juan,
> 
> Yes I've certainly encountered similar behaviour, which is frustrating and an 
> ongoing delay to development.
> 
> Clearly issues were identified with Sonoma 14.4 and macOS on Apple Silicon 
> (https://bugs.java.com/bugdatabase/view_bug?bug_id=8327860). I managed to 
> bypass a significant amount of these issues by temporarily switching to Azul 
> Zulu OpenJDK, although it didn't resolve all issues. Now I've updated to 
> Sonoma 14.4.1 and have issues again, although a little different:
> 
> Setup:
>     - macOS Sonoma 14.4.1
>     - Eclipse Temurin OpenJDK 21.0.2
>     - MacBook Pro M2 Max 16"
>     - External display (Acer Nitro XV273K)
> 
> Symptoms:
>     - Frequent Netbeans hangs
>         - usually temporary & seem to recover after a short while following 
> Cmd-Option-Escape to bring up Force-Quit window (note: I do not need to 
> actually force-quit NB in these cases)
>         - occasional NB sudden crash/quit
>         - occasional system hang & forced logout
>         - occasional system hang & I must force reboot
>     - Console/system-log fails to show any obvious pattern, although there 
> are a few WindowServer crashes listed for related times
>         - WindowServer involvement seems to make sense given increased 
> frequency of issues when using external display
> 
> My guess is it's some complicated interaction of new macOS WindowServer code 
> with Java's GUI-related code, and since Netbeans is a long-running 
> GUI-related process it acts as the main trigger. I seldom run other Java 
> GUI-based applications for long periods; if I did perhaps they'd also trigger 
> the issues.
> 
> Doubt it helps, but you're certainly not the only one with these issues, and 
> the Sonoma 14.4 update seems instrumental in introducing issues.
> 
> Stan
> 
> On 16/04/2024 07:28, Juan Miguel Escribano wrote:
>> Hello there,
>> 
>> First, I'm not sure if the problem is in Netbeans or in Java itself or even 
>> in macOS, but I wanted to comment it here to see if it happens to anyone 
>> else.
>> 
>> My system:
>> MacBook Pro 16’ M2 Pro, with macOS Sonoma 14.4.1
>> Netbeans 21
>> Java: 21.0.2; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 21.0.2+13-LTS
>> 
>> The problem only happens when I do not have the computer connected to an 
>> external monitor. If Netbeans is on the external monitor everything works 
>> fine, but when it is on the internal monitor is when the problem happened to 
>> me.
>> What happens is that, without a defined pattern (at least I haven't been 
>> able to find it), macOS stops responding. The mouse pointer moves, but 
>> neither clicking nor pressing any key has any effect.
>> I have to press the shutdown key several times and, after a while, the user 
>> session closes and reopens and the system responds. But if I don't restart 
>> it then Netbeans doesn't start.
>> 
>> Has something like this happened to anyone?
>> 
>> Thank you so much
>> Best!
>> — — — 
>> Juan Miguel Escribano
>> 
> 


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