Dear Mr. Harrington,
First of all, thanks for your attention. Regarding to the bug,
Ubuntu already allows me to select one language for my system (let's
say French), but type with a keyboard of a different language (say
Vietnamese). What Ubuntu doesn't allow me to do is type in a different
language (let's say Portuguese) when both the keyboard and the system
language matches (say English), since it understands that as my system
and keyboard languages are the same (English), I'll always be
inputting in English, which is obviously not true.
For people that almost always type in just one language, maybe
the feature is truly going to cause a bit more confusion if it is
enabled, but for people like me that type in some different languages
with the same keyboard, this is certainly going to be a gift, since we
can type common symbols without weird key combinations (since I'm not
on the computer on which I noticed this issue, I'll give an example
that may not correspond to the truth, but is analogous, i. e., when I
want to get ü, I must type Alt Gr + x, instead of just "+u, which is
just much more straightforward, and I don't have to rely on memory to
know all the keyboard mapping).
Although this happened when I changed my local language so I
wouldn't get confused with poorly translated words (an issue that may
not seen big at first glance, but already made me do bad things
because I thought some menus meant another thing than they really
did), everybody that prefers English (and also have an English
keyboard) as it's system language will be in a real trouble if they
need to type texts in another language (specially if the language has
special symbols, as it is the case for Latin languages).
I'm not Ubuntu nor Linux guru, so I can't really say where the
problem is (and if I could, I'd probably fix it myself rather than
nagging others to do it for me), but what I can say is that some time
ago I've already used Slackware, Fedora and Debian (on wich Ubuntu is
based), and I didn't notice this issue with this other systems
(although I used legacy versions of them, so I can't say about now).
But what I think is that if xkeyboard-config is a very specific Ubuntu
script, maybe it is causing the problem, other way, I don't thing it
is the problem.
I hope this quite long email will help you understand my issue,
and I'm pretty sure others will benefit from getting this resolved.
One more time thanks for your attention and your patience. Wishing to
hear from you soon,
Andre.
2009/2/23 Bryce Harrington <br...@bryceharrington.org>:
> I'm not sure I completely understand your request. You want to be able
> to select one language for your system (let's say French) but type with
> a keyboard of a different language (say Vietnamese)?
>
> I'm skeptical that is going to cause way more confusion than it solves.
> Also it sounds like this is a workaround for poor local language
> translations in applications, which is not a very good justification for
> doing such a change. But I'll mark it as wishlist for now, and give
> some time for you to explain your idea in greater detail.
>
> I'm also not entirely certain this is an xkeyboard-config problem, but
> will leave it here for now.
>
> ** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu)
> Status: Confirmed => Incomplete
>
> --
> one should be able to select one system language, and still input it's text
> in another language
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/321347
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>
> Status in “xkeyboard-config” source package in Ubuntu: Incomplete
>
> Bug description:
> I'm having a hard time getting my keyboard key composition to work as
> expected.
>
> I'm working on a lap top which has US keyboard, and I chose the USA
> International (with dead keys) layout, and Generic 105-key (Intl) PC as the
> model. Since I think most of my local language translations for applications
> are more confusing than the English ones, I just stuck with English for my
> system default.
>
> The problem is that using dead keys just doesn't work as expected: typing '+c
> should give me cedilla, but instead gives me ć; also typing '+m (or any other
> consonant) should give me 'm, but instead gives me ḿ.
>
> After installing Brazilian Portuguese support, and choosing it as the system
> language, I get the cedilla after typing '+c, but it would still give me
> strange symbols like ḿ after typing '+m (or any other consonant). The problem
> here is that in almost any Latin language I can think of, accents above
> consonants have no meaning, making them just a very strange symbol (with the
> notable exception being tilde+n or ñ for Spanish).
>
> I also type many texts in English, and typing ' over some consonants (like
> '+s to write "it's" for example, or '+m to write "I'm") seems to be a very
> common and effective way to input texts in multiple languages (specially
> Latin languages and English), since accents above consonants also have no
> meaning in English (I've googled for it, and got astonished when I saw how
> many people complain about this). This is also the default for every Windows
> version I've seen, and many Linux distros I've used in the past.
>
> I fully understand that a default behaviour that would benefit everyone is
> impossible, but one should be able to select one system language, and still
> input it's text in another language; I wonder why there is such and option
> for people inputing in iconographic alphabets (such as Japanese or Chinese),
> but not for inputing in Latin alphabet.
>
> Maybe an option for the selection of the input language should be added in
> System/Preference/Keyboard (or equivalent menus for other *buntu distros).
>
> Thanks for your attention, respectfully,
>
> Andre.
>
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one should be able to select one system language, and still input it's text in
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/321347
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