On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 05:58:50PM +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > > On 32C3 a few weeks ago ... > > https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7322-tor_onion_services_more_useful_than_you_think > > ... Roger cheered a lot about Facebook offering a hidden service. > > To be honest, this surprises me quite a bit. Tor is for anonymisation, > so one can escape tax paid surveillance by NSA, GCHQ & Co., which is > useful. And then such a Tor user connects to Facebook, where one has to > log in, making this anonymisation completely pointless? At least I don't > get the point. > > Even assuming that Facebook doesn't regularly exchange user data with > NSA, this makes mass surveillance trivial. Useful, welcome, or not, > Facebook does mass surveillance on its own, as stated business practice. > Also, I'm pretty sure if another Manning-like case appears, NSA would > immediately command Facebook to offer the related user identification. > > If there's cheering about Facebook hidden services, shouldn't always a > note be added that logging in there identifies a user, making Tor > (almost) pointless?
I'm absolutly agree with this point of view. Even more, in today world, I think, greatest danger *for most people* comes from corporations like Google, Facebook, Twitter etc whose money - our privacy, not from NSA/GCHQ/FSB/... The latter, in theory, in democratic countries, called to serve the good of the people. The first - serve their pockets. I think, in crypto-privacy-tor-i2p-... communities this problem is very underrated. The main enemy - NSA & Co., not the companies whose main goals are our desires, preferences, dreams, pain and suffering - those things through which we easily manipulated. Facebook and Co. have enough power and money to manipulate/lobby their interests. I don't think they need any support from Tor developers. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
