-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Markus Hitter wrote: > ... Roger cheered a lot about Facebook offering a hidden service. > > To be honest, this surprises me quite a bit. Tor is for > anonymisation, so one can escape tax paid surveillance by NSA, GCHQ > & Co., which is useful. And then such a Tor user connects to > Facebook, where one has to log in, making this anonymisation > completely pointless? At least I don't get the point.
Tor is not for anonymization. At least, not in the pervasive sense that you mean it. All Tor provides is location anonymity (of the client or server); the applications on top have to also be designed for anonymity (and the user educated, etc etc) to attempt to get close to full anonymization. So yes, in that sense using Facebook over Tor is pointless, because Facebook requires that you be logged in with a "real name". But sometimes, location anonymity is all you need. What if you are in a country where Facebook is banned? Facebook's HS will enable you to reach it (using bridges or PTs if necessary). What if you are a public figure and need to go into hiding to protect yourself? A Tor client will enable you to communicate publicly over Facebook without revealing your location (modulo JavaScript issues). > > Even assuming that Facebook doesn't regularly exchange user data > with NSA, this makes mass surveillance trivial. Useful, welcome, or > not, Facebook does mass surveillance on its own, as stated business > practice. Also, I'm pretty sure if another Manning-like case > appears, NSA would immediately command Facebook to offer the > related user identification. Not everyone's adversary is the NSA. str4d > > If there's cheering about Facebook hidden services, shouldn't > always a note be added that logging in there identifies a user, > making Tor (almost) pointless? > > > Markus > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWl9tzAAoJEBO17ljAn7PgNyMP/2pJcJzJgx8KAZGpLRFQbv9a j92uS45MkOTP2tzsqohn/Y2MypRBRKPoix1EfLFOo9f85bmQ60ITjO/UqQwO00dD 305Fvbs4VZRRoKpEzJd0GzP4VqlUj836b3EDzQReBI/rULDNlaXkMOG61o8rLr0d CFQZZepGZf5NO68S6kC0pv53ea8flhkSZ3SRdo1QEvEvLjyeRZQn+ujBIPn4iVir auZb8gAVksolakLKEQqUV5hjSM1QhIwEkrvuyw2sKqRKypOcoT2xnVirCTyFp1uR O4658YAvlJH8YboaZpL42x7eIdZrbXM8I+w3R4yIhRo6XB8ihgfZPtbnctKmECI/ gr+It8l/TDPB/XQTXjAQ/1vGd/czqJK+7vhZ2hyW19gMC7NfWnv7TNa250ueWqH9 EpihIX7ffjCIOGJQs6fvUddc93K6dhGPs6Egl6L6rpz/YtUJA77oFtCXz54LfVw5 o5Uf69LLOhpZq1kznOfPO8FtO5/hm4AFV5iX8g5zqEBy9yv+TI0dtv7a9nfsoOxM NNaAxImtZ0n97DSyW15ENCazP4Mf9dAmPck31vxqxa2qvsoGIEiwP9PZBfMBT/qJ nM+yGeWLVUI1DkRaCSCmUe1SaGxcxu9HVXa0ZIR3P771B1tdSPY1oWlaZPaBGisM t53Dk/niBPM0xZBHJJV+ =Z56F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
