-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09.03.2014 0:48, Mirimir wrote: > Even with reduced exit policy, running a Tor exit can get your IP > blacklisted. Most Tor users are seeking privacy and anonymity, so > having their IP listed as a Tor exit is counterintuitive. There are > idealists, of course. But I can't imagine how ~7% of Internet users > would be that idealistic.
There is no reason why authorities should handcuff the owner of the particular node that redirects some data they find dangerous/criminal/extremist enough. It only happens because of the centralized design of the current Internet. If the Internet was decentralized since the very beginning, and nodes were redirecting others' traffic routinely nobody would even bother, “because that's how Internet works”. It's those who wanted global surveillance would then have to try hard to create centralized networks and make them popular. This state of things wouldn't take a tiny bit of idealism to estabilish. Internet just wasn't design this way (for a variety of reasons, rather irrelevant, IMO). Unfortuately it's us who are in defensive position right now but it does not mean that Internet is doomed. - From this angle, it's not so counterintuitive to run exit node, as well. The best (if not only, in certain sense) way to obtain anonymity is to get lost in the crowd. I'm sure that if Tor became at least moderately mainstream, and the common attitude would be “Yes, I redirect Tor traffic. We all do. That's the way we guarantee ourselves protection.”, then nobody would care about creating blacklists anymore, or at least everyone would become much, much less paranoid about that. Expropriating home computers running Tor relays or exits would not only become immoral (shame it isn't so now) but ineffective as well. No first world society can allow itself to label 7-10% of population as potential terrorists, criminals and abusers. It's all about creating a tradition, or a fashion. It only takes idealist users to run Tor exits on the *initial* state of the project. Besides, - - actual risks of having problems with authorities are not that high; - - community support in the first world societies would make a lot of difference, especially if it included legal support backed by human rights organisations or maybe fundraising. The real problems are: - - the large amounts of people who are interested in privacy issues these days, due to media coverage of Snowden, PRISM, etc., may easily disappear sooner than we might expect. The attention of crowds is unpredictable and thus extremely valuable. It's almost a crime against humanity to miss all those opportunities now, in my humble personal opinion; - - the situation in the second and third world societies; it does take some idealism to fight for freedom there, and lawyers' help doesn't mean much. Still, the community support does, as always (I can tell); - - lack of interest on the hackers' side to interact with PR/adv guys. An example of stupid inability to cooperate with those not like you that had by now successfully prevented lots of great stuff created by hackers to get the popularity it deserved. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTG5JpAAoJEFrbru/RghxvMO8IAJ9lrWywgk09O1TedsRnUKzF DSDBV1oEAcchc4PemQ8v/1kZ1olgMvycc44rJ6MbAhlaDFxvRpCFP8S7LA399b1y HRuXu7E4UE/dKtSgkCAfi/KSJMe89CVsyK3mAb73L0awulufmW2pHrHUGfA2eXO9 m90velCbYlM+56k2P9IW6iqIjC1ZylSoLt9ktplSLiuMATpFhhhwpmfYsv4zsj03 iAH+UCWwP9OBEBkPmjf4NB69TBCkWPPKuTa7SJn2xb/ac6iXpd7N0WBonIWAoUbw Da6vMgoQD4VAn6BfllrdPQ4jxZXs6QSqgJhJXrcXQ/uF/vXMleZWBQJ4BF/9isI= =s7eL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
