On 10/04/2013 02:22 AM, shadowOps07 wrote: > What kind of VPN provider did he use?
He had a dedicated exit IP, given that it was hard coded in his site for admin access. That was also a risky move, in my opinion. He could have lost the VPN account, and the IP. Better practice is using key-based authentication. Other than that, and the fact that it's a non-US VPN service, I've seen nothing specific. There are numerous VPN services that provide dedicated IP addresses. > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:27 PM, mirimir <miri...@riseup.net> wrote: > >> On 10/04/2013 12:44 AM, shadowOps07 wrote: >> >>> Yeah, but the country doesn't have the release the log to the fascist >>> police state just because "Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty" is in place. >>> They have the MORAL obligation to disregard the treaty. US is in no >>> position to demand obligations from other countries. Rather, MLAT is a >>> farce. >> >> Well, then, he picked the wrong country for his VPN provider. He also >> picked the wrong country for his hosting provider. And he didn't keep >> himself anonymous enough from either one. >> >> If we're going to be throwing blame around, I think that Mr. Ulbricht >> deserves most of it. In my opinion, he misled perhaps a million people >> into using his site. One could consider them fools, of course. They >> provided names and addresses to drug dealers, and eventually to the FBI. >> But is it fair to expect users to understand the technical and >> operational challenges involved? I don't think so. >> >> But, as much as I enjoy debating this, it has nothing to do with Tor ;) >> >>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 7:58 PM, mirimir <miri...@riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 10/03/2013 11:33 PM, shadowOps07 wrote: >>>> >>>>> Was the VPN located in the US? If not, then FBI doesn't have any >>>>> jurisdiction outside of US. >>>> >>>> On p. 14 of UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf, there's reference to a >>>> "Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty". >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Roger Dingledine <a...@mit.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 08:58:57PM +0000, mirimir wrote: >>>>>>> So they did have the server before they knew who he was. >>>>>> >>>>>> Careful there -- while I assume they didn't lie in their affidavit, >> it's >>>>>> quite reasonable to assume that they investigated all sorts of things, >>>>>> all sorts of ways, and then afterwards chose to write down exactly the >>>>>> set of facts that when lined up in the correct order makes it look >> like >>>>>> a clean solid case. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a slippery slope from there to 'parallel construction', but I >> think >>>>>> it's standard practice to start with some leads and use them to find >>>>>> more solid facts, and it's also standard practice to not mention all >>>>>> your leads in your affidavit. >>>>>> >>>>>> To be more concrete, their job here is to link the guy to the website. >>>>>> So if they had a pretty good idea of who the guy was, but not enough >>>>>> evidence to bust him, it makes sense to me that they would go find one >>>>>> of the servers, collect all the evidence they can from it, and hope >>>>>> to find something specific that points back at the guy. And who knows, >>>>>> maybe they did that several times before they found something they >> liked >>>>>> enough to build a case from it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your theory that "he was sold out by one of his administrators" also >>>>>> fits fine here -- the administrators pointed to the guy but then they >>>>>> needed to build a solid-looking case. >>>>>> >>>>>>> We also knew >>>>>>> that he was sold out by his VPN provider. Hopefully, the identity of >>>>>>> that VPN provider will come out soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why? So everybody can abandon that VPN and move to a different one >> that >>>>>> also responds to subpoenas but hasn't been written about in a >>>> high-profile >>>>>> court case yet? :) >>>>>> >>>>>> --Roger >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >>>>>> To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to >>>>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >>>> To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to >>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >>>> >> >> -- >> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >> To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >> -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
