-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Rock,
What you are setting up is identical to postman's mail.i2p/i2pmail.org service in I2P (which I am using right now). See http://hq.postman.i2p/ for details (http://hq.postman.i2p.us/ via an I2P inproxy). I only mention this here because postman's mail system has been running since 2004, so he could be a useful source of info for you. And I think that having the operators of two similar mail systems talking with each other would be beneficial to the development of these systems :) str4d On 09/18/2013 12:41 PM, Conrad Rockenhaus wrote: > Nathan, > > The development servers are in separate jurisdictions throughout > the world. For the initial proof of concept, I have two MTAs and > two Data Servers, with one spare server. Each one is in a separate > jurisdiction to make it more difficult to tap. I won't go into > details, but let's just say that the United States wasn't an option > for the Data Servers. I may consider the US for MTAs in the > future... > > Rock > > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Nathan Suchy < > theusernameiwantista...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> You should send email from a separate server in a different >> location and have legal protection. Keep it in a Europe country >> that would help... >> >> Sent from my Android so do not expect a fast, long, or perfect >> response... On Sep 17, 2013 5:45 PM, "Conrad Rockenhaus" >> <con...@rockenhaus.com> wrote: >> >>> Nathan, >>> >>> That's exactly what I'm doing with this project. >>> >>> Internet<---->MTAs(Just running Postfix with ABSOLUTELY no >>> logging) also running TOR as a (client only)<------>Data >>> Server(Running as Hidden >> Service >>> only, no logging)<----->TOR End User >>> >>> Basically, to the normal Internet, it will just be a plain jane >>> email address that is coming from a plain jane MTA. The MTAs >>> will not know the IP address of the data servers because they >>> will only deliver the email >> via >>> TORified SMTP to the data server. >>> >>> Of course, standard SPAM limiting measures will be in place >>> (limits on number of addressees in a message, limits on how >>> many messages can be >> sent >>> per minute, per hour, etc.) >>> >>> Now I've got the MTAs, I'm just perfecting the configuration >>> and trying >> to >>> figure out a good domain name to use for the service (I would >>> rather not use networks.rockenhaus.com, which is the >>> placeholder for now.) I also need to come up with a secondary >>> domain name in case people start >> blocking >>> emails from the domain. >>> >>> I'm funding the initial proof of concept. What I'll be asking >>> for is either a honor system payment (so those who can't afford >>> to pay can still use the service) or a donation based model, >>> and also try to fund the service with tor based web hosting >>> (which I doubt will bring in any >> needed >>> cash) and ask for donations of bandwidth and servers. >>> >>> The primary main objective, heh, is to ensure a failsafe system >>> to >> provide >>> freedom of expression, freedom of government intrusion, and >>> freedom of ensuring access to an experimental anonymous email >>> system that won't turn over anything on it's servers, as if >>> authorities seize MTAs, they won't find any evidence on there, >>> and if they seize a data server, there's another data server >>> standing by to automatically fail over (not putting >> the >>> eggs in one basket like tormail.) The only lines of compromise >>> are sniffing the traffic in the MTAs, most TOR users are >>> capable of utilizing encryption for their emails anyway. >>> >>> Sorry for the long response. I just wanted to paint a picture >>> of how it would work. >>> >>> Now, for those who are curious about a guy who appeared out of >>> no where >> and >>> started building this - I've been lurking for a while, and I >>> didn't want >> to >>> say anything until I had the resources to build this. If you >>> want >> further >>> information about me please feel free to contact me and I'll >>> let you know who I am and why I am very pro free speech and pro >>> tor, even when it's >> used >>> to personally attack me. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Rock >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Nathan Suchy < >>> theusernameiwantista...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> If your willing to use a few servers one could be a Tor Node >>>> and one >>> could >>>> be an Email Relay which seemed normal and custom code your >>>> project.. >>>> >>>> Sent from my Android so do not expect a fast, long, or >>>> perfect >>> response... >>>> On Sep 17, 2013 10:26 AM, "Conrad Rockenhaus" >>>> <con...@rockenhaus.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks. The service that I'm starting up is connecting to >>>>> external >> mtas >>>>> that aren't tor exit nodes. So basically, the way tormail >>>>> was set up >>> to >>>> a >>>>> degree. Starting out small until so I can prove the >>>>> viability so >> people >>>>> will start using and hopefully donating either bandwidth or >>>>> etc to >> keep >>>> it >>>>> alive. >>>>> >>>>> There's going to be one major difference between this >>>>> project and >>> tormail >>>>> though - the data/web backend won't be in one place. More >>>>> on that >>> later, >>>>> I'm trying to get the proof of concept off the ground. >>>>> >>>>> -Rock On Sep 17, 2013 10:11 AM, "Harold Naparst" >>>>> <har...@alum.mit.edu> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> http://eq4xhu6y7nmemcb2.onion/squirrelmail >>>>>> >>>>>>> is almost online. Working out some kinks and need to >>>>>>> get the >>> bigger >>>>> MTAs >>>>>>> set up. However, I need to find a good automated sign >>>>>>> up script >>>>> because >>>>>> I >>>>>>> don't feel like coding one. Anyone know of a good one? >>>>>>> I've >> tried >>>> the >>>>>>> Google and came up empty handed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rock, you can check out mine: >>>>>> http://secmailmzz5xe4do.onion >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't had time to add a CAPTCHA yet, because I'm >>>>>> more >> interested >>> in >>>>>> working on getting mail sent to non-onion sites to use >>>>>> the tor >>> network >>>>>> without leaking DNS and so on. The registration script >>>>>> depends on >>> how >>>>> you >>>>>> are storing your login information, and there are a lot >>>>>> of ways to >> do >>>>> that. >>>>>> I'm using vpopmail, and I hacked vqregister, which is >>>>>> mentioned in >>> the >>>>>> squirrelmail plugins page. Vqregister is truly horrible, >>>>>> and I had >>> to >>>>> hack >>>>>> it pretty badly to get it to work. If you want it, >>>>>> though, you can >>>> have >>>>>> it. But probably you're using something else (like >>>>> postfix/postfixadmin), >>>>>> and so the architecture won't work for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> This hidden mail service will probably only be useful for >>>>>> mail to >>> other >>>>>> .onion sites, because most large e-mail providers block >>>>>> e-mail from >>> tor >>>>>> exit nodes, as I found out during testing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Harold -- tor-talk mailing list - >>>>>> tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change >>>>>> other settings go to >>>>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> - -- >>>>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To >>>>> unsusbscribe or change other settings go to >>>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >>>>> >>>> >>>>> - -- >>>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To >>>> unsusbscribe or change other settings go to >>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >>>> >>> >>>> - -- >>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To >>> unsusbscribe or change other settings go to >>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >>> >> -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To >> unsusbscribe or change other settings go to >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJSOTGuAAoJENXeOJaUpGWyvWgH/1R66gHeTE5J2FUA1qQT/uNo /2RoCWkUOZfNTsVCvMPYzR/208OlLAd82BCP77E9/ddgy3hc7A2VzXBvtLrNfOI7 Yj+yTW6vE1iC9ce9SX4Y7fGgrXdH02sfu7YNXn9TAc3kBewyC8vvvs5PC5MUKWrU M67QAeA1iXSeAyelWGh8UBnjKAPiFwH8ajGTK0GJa0/VAzcMjLSLg00aRw+JkpkC s3VJEpqkKW05DmVD6WjmoPr4IX07bxf1rDYBGPij8HpHPR4ATSzUxPi+oCL3Md8L A9wOdXeORuN/dt+wzUy7S/cXkUDZVNXtfDqnUeevsRFVBwFA6KGSSzN9XcpciXw= =l2nE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
