welcome On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 at 09:10, Surendra Varma <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks, Sri Rajaram > > This is what I expected in response to my post. Comments on our PM's > speech. There were very useful insights and elements of future vision in > his speech. > > Suren > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 at 10:36, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> AI >> >> The entire world is AI. It is gaining currency .AI is the technology for >> rapid changes in security, data, Growth and development of economy., >> Governance, innovations, and managing resources, education, Agriculture. >> Cybersecurity. Job creation and enhancing skills. (PM speech} >> >> What was said when the Basic language of the computer introduced? >> >> Coming to the contribution of Rajiv Gandhi in ushering IT revolution in >> India, he allowed a duty free import of computer for software development >> in India only if it will earn 250% of its cost by exporting softwares in 4 >> years. To call such small leeway a revolution especially when his >> predecessors were the ones who had kept such high import duty earlier is no >> different than thanking a murderer for merely attempting murder but not >> killing. Manufacturing of mainframes was still a monopoly of state owned >> ECIL. Computerization of ticket booking services in Indian Railway starting >> in 1984 can hardly be called anything more than a mundane administrative >> decision as Indian Railway was utilizing the services of IBM before as well >> for many purposes. The actual revolution in the IT sector occurred when PVN >> Rao abolished import duty on computers used for exporting software, making >> the software export income tax free for 10 years and paving the path for >> the entry of global tech giants in India. The result of such policies was >> reflected in more than ten-fold increase of the software export earning of >> Indian companies between 1991-92 and 1997-98. >> >> Coming the saga of C-DOT and telephone network in India, Pitroda had >> promised that he will build a 10,000 line capacity automatic telephone >> exchange in India within three years but when it comes to delivering, he >> was merely able to deliver a 6,000 lines telephone exchange by 1990. The >> success of the telecommunication policy of Pitroda can be estimated by the >> fact that the telephone penetration in India in 1989 was around 0.8% while >> 10 years later in 1999, it was merely hovering around 2.8%. Pitroda was >> obsessed with C-DOT to the extent that he killed the development of >> cellular network in India which was going to be developed with the >> assistance of World Bank and Ericsson by terming cellular phones as 'luxury >> gadgets not needed for a developing country' and a year later, he hired US >> based company, Multi-Tech, owned by a group of professors of Stanford >> University for providing consultancy on development of cellular phone >> technology in India with consultancy fee of around $3 million producing >> nothing. >> >> The actual revolution in the world of telecommunications and IT in India >> happened during the era of Atal Bihari Vajpayee when his government >> formulated National Telecom Policy in 1999. In the budget of 2000, the >> import duty on cellphones was reduced from 25% to 5%, long distance mobile >> communication was thrown open to the private sector and ended the monopoly >> of VSNL in international calls in 2002. The result of Vajpayee' success is >> revealed by the numbers. The telephone penetration rate in 1999 was a >> meagre 3% while in 2010, it had breached the 50% mark. The success of >> telecommunication and IT in India has been written by the entrepreneurs >> primarily and well supported by the Vajpayee and PVN Rao government, not >> the glorified Rajiv and Pitroda. >> >> Computer technology renders the central themes like speed etc? >> >> The technology of computer rendering directly enables and advances core >> themes like speed, realism, and complexity through continuous hardware and >> software innovation. Key developments in this field have led to >> instantaneous visuals in video games, cinematic special effects, and >> realistic architectural visualizations. >> >> Hardware acceleration >> >> Specialized hardware has dramatically increased the speed and complexity >> of computer-rendered images. >> >> Graphical Processing Units (GPUs): Initially developed to speed up 3D >> graphics in video games, GPUs are built to perform many similar >> computations at once. They accelerate rendering algorithms like >> rasterization and ray tracing, making real-time graphics possible. >> >> Parallel processing: Both GPUs and render farms use parallel processing, >> which divides complex rendering tasks into smaller jobs to be completed >> simultaneously by multiple processors or computers. >> >> Real-time versus offline rendering >> >> Render technology has evolved to meet different needs for speed and >> quality. >> >> Real-time rendering: This process generates images instantly, often at 30 >> to 60 frames per second or higher, to create the illusion of smooth motion. >> >> Technology: It typically uses optimized rasterization algorithms to >> convert 3D models into 2D pixel-based images at high speeds. >> >> Application: Real-time rendering is critical for interactive applications >> like video games and virtual reality, where instant feedback is necessary. >> >> Offline rendering: This process prioritizes visual quality over speed, >> generating frames over minutes, hours, or even days. >> >> Technology: It uses more advanced and computationally expensive >> techniques, like path tracing, to simulate how light behaves in a realistic >> environment. >> >> Application: Offline rendering is used for creating high-quality CGI in >> films, architectural visualizations, and animated movies. >> >> Rendering techniques and algorithms >> >> Advancements in rendering software enable greater realism and speed. >> >> Ray tracing: This advanced technique simulates light by tracing the path >> of rays as they bounce off objects. It is highly effective at producing >> lifelike reflections, shadows, and lighting effects, and is now being >> integrated into real-time applications with hardware acceleration. >> >> Differentiable rendering: A more recent development that integrates >> rendering with deep learning. This technique allows AI to "understand" the >> relationship between 3D scenes and their 2D projections, making it useful >> for tasks like reconstructing 3D models from images. >> >> Shading algorithms: Renderers use complex algorithms, or "shaders," to >> compute the colors of pixels based on lighting, texture, and the material >> properties of objects. Modern GPUs have open architectures that allow >> programmers to write custom shading routines for maximum realism. >> >> Technological convergence >> >> Speed and power also depend on the integration of various technologies. >> >> Cloud computing: Cloud rendering services leverage massive networks of >> high-performance servers, or "render farms," to process rendering jobs >> faster and more efficiently than a single local machine. >> >> Software and hardware optimization: The full potential of high-end >> hardware, like a powerful CPU and GPU, can only be realized with >> well-optimized software. Developers must create efficient code and >> implement features that take advantage of specialized processors. >> >> How Google etc differ from AI >> >> The primary difference lies in their function: Google's traditional >> search engine retrieves and organizes existing information, while >> generative AI creates new, original content. >> >> Here is a breakdown of the key differences: >> >> Aspect a Traditional Google Search b Generative AI >> >> A Primary function Serves as a digital librarian, directing users >> to relevant information on other websites. Acts as a personal >> assistant or creator, generating new text, images, or code in response to >> user prompts. >> >> B Output A list of links (the Search Engine Results Page) with short >> snippets of text. Direct, concise, and conversational summaries or new >> creative content, synthesized from multiple sources. >> >> A User interaction Primarily keyword-based queries, though it has >> evolved with some semantic understanding. Highly conversational, >> allowing users to ask complex, natural language questions and engage in >> follow-up dialogue. >> >> B Content creation Retrieves existing content from its web index; >> it does not create new content on the fly. Creates new and original >> content, often adapting its responses based on the user's preferences and >> context. >> >> Personalization Personalizes results based on search history and >> location, but can feel generic and sometimes overwhelming. Can >> provide tailored suggestions and responses based on real-time user >> engagement and preferences. >> >> B Technology Relies on crawling and indexing the web, with >> algorithms that rank content based on factors like keywords and >> authority. Uses large language models (LLMs) and deep learning to >> understand user intent and generate responses. >> >> How Google is adapting to AI >> >> Google has recognized the shift toward conversational, AI-driven search >> and is integrating generative AI into its core search product. >> >> AI Overviews: Provides an AI-generated snapshot summarizing key >> information for more complex queries. >> >> AI Mode: Offers an advanced AI search experience with more in-depth >> responses and reasoning, which Google is rolling out to the public. >> >> Query fan-out: Uses AI to break down complex questions into subtopics and >> search multiple data sources simultaneously for a more comprehensive >> response. >> >> SO WHAT IS AI >> >> AI is trying to act as if us in the presentation, verbatim text, >> arrangements, seminar style etc etc ; and speed is the basic point; I did >> taxation revenue in barcode with the computer as presentation; now AI can >> offer me powerpoint charts of different axis from which I can choose and >> within 5 minutes while travelling to office. YET ALL THE OUTPUT I MADE >> THROUGH THE MACHINES, SOFTWARE AND ALGORITHM ALL THESE YEARS ARE CONVERTED >> BY HUMAN AS FED-SOFTWARE WITH MARKETING ANALYSIS. THAT MEANS, MY >> INTELLIGENCE IS STILL THE BEST; BUT AI CAN REPRODUCE ONLY THE PAST >> FEEDINGS; BUT I MAY THINK INSTEAD OF AI ANOTHER AAI OR BI IN A DECADE. >> WHEN YOU TALK TO A BRILLIANT DOCTOR ABOUT YOUR HEART, HE BROADLY NARRATES, >> THE PROS AND CONS OF THE SURGERY AND CONDITIONS FOR ONE HOUR WITH CHARTS >> ETC, WHICH WHEN ADDED TO THE AI FEEDS BACK IN FEW SECONDS. IT IS INDEED A >> TOOL OF PROGRESS FASTER THAN OUR MIND MAY GRASP. PM SPEAKS THAT. IT HELPS >> ALL FIELDS. BUT IT CANNOT WRITE A NEW TREATISE ON RIG VEDAM AND FIND IN >> DEPTH MEANING AS A HUMAN BRAIN MAY DO IN 2028. >> >> K RAJARAM IRS 111025 >> >> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 at 16:56, Dr Sundar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sir >>> Forwarding a news item is, of course, appropriate; my comment was >>> directed at the way it was presented — portraying a routine >>> teleprompter-assisted address as entirely impromptu. Such exaggeration >>> distracts from the actual point and invites unnecessary debate. The Prime >>> Minister’s use of a teleprompter, like that of other world leaders, is >>> entirely normal. Going forward, it would be advisable to convey such >>> content accurately and without embellishment, so that discussions remain >>> focused and the intended message is clear. >>> >>> Nothing “hit the fan”; just a gentle breeze of perspective, though I >>> understand how even a breeze can feel like a tsunami to certain seats. >>> >>> Namaskaram >>> >>> *"KNOW THYSELF .* >>> *SELF KNOWLEDGE IS REAL KNOWLEDGE.* >>> *ALL OTHER KNOWLEDGE IS IGNORANCE AND THEY ARE NO KNOWLEDGE " * >>> *~~~ Bhagavan Ramana* >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025, 4:25 pm Surendra Varma, <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I only forwarded a news item on our PM Modi ji's speech on AI, in the >>>> belief that members will find it useful given that AI is a hot subject >>>> today. >>>> >>>> Never thought that it would turn out to be like shit hitting the fan. >>>> >>>> Suren >>>> >>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 at 06:30, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is shocking to read for the second time unique observations of Sri >>>>> Surendra varma quoting God's perception according to taste. Loko Binna >>>>> ruchi does not mean that focus on a single event or observations all >>>>> around >>>>> using the panchendriyas are high or low. It's as good as eating food in >>>>> the >>>>> house; some add salt more; some teaspoon oil; some take more side dishes; >>>>> yet the quality of the food is not denied by all such actions. Taste >>>>> differs. Why not say, observation is more powerful in getting out of >>>>> situations rich or poor than getting killed in a bomb blast by single >>>>> focus? All may not be aware of all factors and it need not be too. No one >>>>> speaks without tele-prompter which is tech only. Thus I failed to >>>>> understand why another variety is being blamed unless it is >>>>> absolutely irrelevant being ot at all in the alignment? Mr Varma shall >>>>> bear equanimity and varieties of gunas and taste and may not follow what >>>>> one desired. KR IRS 111025 >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 at 14:40, Surendra Varma <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your counseling! I did not know that I needed to go back >>>>>> to school to learn writing with balance. You said you will avoid reading >>>>>> and commenting on my posts. What made you change your mind? . >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 at 03:05, Dr Sundar <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sir >>>>>>> The point of contention is quite straightforward — the Prime >>>>>>> Minister used a teleprompter, as he has done in every other similar >>>>>>> situation. There is absolutely nothing wrong in that; it is entirely his >>>>>>> prerogative. However, to make a point of pride out of claiming that he >>>>>>> spoke impromptu (at an overseas high-level meet )naturally raises a few >>>>>>> eyebrows. That’s all there is to it — nothing more, nothing less. The >>>>>>> response should have been in ref to this just only . >>>>>>> Any way..... >>>>>>> Appreciate the writer’s overflowing affection for the PM — as though >>>>>>> everyone else' intent is on demeaning him. But when the argument begins >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> drift into areas like Hindus demeaning Hindus, “crab culture,” and other >>>>>>> such diversions, it only seems like an effort to fill space or to >>>>>>> deflect >>>>>>> from the central issue. Every discerning reader can see through that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When someone of experience somewhere and aged but still cannot >>>>>>> compose themselves to write with balance and clarity, wandering off on >>>>>>> irrelevant tangents appears to be their only refuge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Sundaram >>>>>>> *"KNOW THYSELF .* >>>>>>> *SELF KNOWLEDGE IS REAL KNOWLEDGE.* >>>>>>> *ALL OTHER KNOWLEDGE IS IGNORANCE AND THEY ARE NO KNOWLEDGE " * >>>>>>> *~~~ Bhagavan Ramana* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025, 9:13 am Surendra Varma, <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After reading the comments on my post, I am tempted to quote a >>>>>>>> verse from Ramacharitmanas... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Jiski rahi bhavana jaisi, >>>>>>>> prabhu murat tin dekhi taisi" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> English: How one sees God (prabhu) depends on one's mental and >>>>>>>> spiritual stages of development (bhavana). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While I was focused on our PM's speech, some others were focused on >>>>>>>> the technology that was used to make his speech clearer and reach >>>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>>> present. What was wrong with it, I ask? Nothing other than being a >>>>>>>> Hindu, a >>>>>>>> crab. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Where on earth the new audio-visual technology is not used when an >>>>>>>> important person is making a speech? Why single out Modi ji? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We Hindus follow a crab culture. We seek visibility by pulling down >>>>>>>> another Hindu, not by promoting him. This is how a handful of >>>>>>>> Britishers >>>>>>>> were able to rule millions of Hindus. Divide and rule. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The worst enemies of Hinduism are Hindus themselves. Look at the >>>>>>>> Muslims and Christians in India, and how united they are united. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why can't Hindus unite in India, I ask? But why they do unite, when >>>>>>>> they are out of India in any other country? What derives this >>>>>>>> differential >>>>>>>> attitude? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Suren >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 at 23:37, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ALL AROUND HIM SUPER SPEAKERS 10 KEPT AROUND BROADCASTING TO >>>>>>>>> SOURCES. ai and computers are all just time savers and permanent >>>>>>>>> memory >>>>>>>>> storage. Maybe just 20 or 25 years back, when Keyboard came, I >>>>>>>>> struggled a >>>>>>>>> lot to store my recordings either through a long process on the >>>>>>>>> keyboard or >>>>>>>>> external disks. Today you have to be careful while talking over cell, >>>>>>>>> phone >>>>>>>>> etc or in person since I can record video conversations for hours. >>>>>>>>> One TB >>>>>>>>> storage is a pen drive. AI is such. All these are tools for us since >>>>>>>>> creativity is only through our brains only. Speakers today do not hit >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> hard with the sound pollution. So also AI. As all are asareeri once >>>>>>>>> raised, >>>>>>>>> forever it reverberates. GIGO. KR IRS 101025 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 at 08:50, Dr Sundar <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> extempore!!!! >>>>>>>>>> What are the two screens mounted on black bases in front of him >>>>>>>>>> on the sides [when he starts about explaining a simple experiment >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> ploading a medical prescription?] >>>>>>>>>> i fervently wish i see my PM addressing impromptu in >>>>>>>>>> overseas and also grant interviews at least annually to press >>>>>>>>>> /journalist in india on one to one.. >>>>>>>>>> namaskaram >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *"KNOW THYSELF .* >>>>>>>>>> *SELF KNOWLEDGE IS REAL KNOWLEDGE.* >>>>>>>>>> *ALL OTHER KNOWLEDGE IS IGNORANCE AND THEY ARE NO KNOWLEDGE " >>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>> *~~~ Bhagavan Ramana* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 7:53 AM Surendra Varma < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/2x2ZnoJ77kY?si=xpfYKxf5jjOOT0zV >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> He spoke in English (never mind his Indian accent), extempore, >>>>>>>>>>> brilliantly touching both sides of AI and its potential, and kept >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> audience spellbound. Look at the faces of leaders from different >>>>>>>>>>> countries: >>>>>>>>>>> they look mesmerized! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I enjoyed his speech, and thought of sharing it here. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Suren >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "societyforservingseniors" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion, visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/society4servingseniors/CACgBxSpeMtW5ONHr5X1k0i6GO3PzQ4vV%3DPhw9Bj0dYbczBruoA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/society4servingseniors/CACgBxSpeMtW5ONHr5X1k0i6GO3PzQ4vV%3DPhw9Bj0dYbczBruoA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "societyforservingseniors" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion, visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/society4servingseniors/CAF%3D8Bw1ofpdJLUnL3VJyP5t%3DMM53B5Q6bZDoNkjLdqyTXiF72g%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/society4servingseniors/CAF%3D8Bw1ofpdJLUnL3VJyP5t%3DMM53B5Q6bZDoNkjLdqyTXiF72g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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