First stop your abuse and ill treating. There is chance for some
improvement.Gopalakrishnan
On Saturday, 9 August 2025 at 01:51:32 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
onnam class joke 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 at 12:28, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
Mr Rajaram,The last line told in Tamil (written in English) is best suited to
you than me.Gopalakrishnan
On Saturday 9 August, 2025 at 12:09:27 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
again a muttal. Your ote i extracted. YOU NEVER ANSWERED WHAT IS GOTRA? i
WROTE A BOOK IN THESE COLUMNSÂ YOU NEITHER REAd OTHERS NOT READ ON YOUR OWNÂ
SONDAÂ BUDDIYUIM ILLAI PIRA BUDDIYUM ILLADHA JADAMÂ
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 at 11:31, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
Mr Rajaram,
You are repeating what is wrote by Mr. Arun Mohan, a well read writer. Read
fully the answer before reacting.Gopalakrishnan
On Saturday 9 August, 2025 at 11:20:41 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
My note- I found some good information in this answer appeared in Quora. Of
course for one or two  members there can be nothing in this answer. Their
opinions are theirs. Sometimes one member may copy paste pages with irrelevant
matter or same matter as response.
after the muttal acknowledging that he is so and so who copy paste, without
understanding anything but accusing others who knew better I need not write
,unless needed some one. Let him know what is gotra? Even west do not have
gotra; marumakkaattayam has no caste as brahmin at all as she delivered unaware
of caste etc. Caste is from Y chromo and not X Gopala has to travel alot so
let him shut his sutters KR
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 at 10:59, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty
<[email protected]> wrote:
Why does some KeralaHindus not have Gothram?-Forward
Answer by Arun Mohan ,Lives in Kerala, India(2016–present)Feb 22
Some Hindus in Kerala don’t believe in Gothram tradition asseen elsewhere;
Gothram system isgenerally a concept prevailing among majority of upper caste
Hindus in generalacross India. In a simplisticterm, it means lineage or the
source of origin of a community/group of people.
Traditionally it is a Brahminical concept, i.e., it issomething Brahminical
communities originally try to identify with, during theVedic era. Post Vedic
era, other upper caste communities also startedidentifying with Gotrams as like
Brahmins.
As per Hindu belief, Lord Brahma, the Creator, created 7 sages out of his
wisdom.So as from his vices, born- Daksha, who became the Prajapati or lord
ofuniverse. The daughtersborn to Daksha were married to the 7 sages or
Saptarishis who were now giventask to create humans to populate the world.
My note- All daughters were NOT married toSapatharshies. Thirteen  were married
tosage Kashyapa,27 were married to moon God  and one daughter Sati was married
to God Siva.
So these 7 sages started creating humans thro’ their unionswith their wives.
Thesechildren now started identifying themselves with lineage of their father,
thusformed the Gotras.
One essentially featuresof Gotra is its patrilineal lineage. Every Gotras
tracks its origin to the sage from which thatgroup of people originated. So it
could either one among 7 sages or  by their lineage.
In this world, the humans could be either of one of the 7gotras.
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1. Vasishtthan, 2. Kaasyapan,3. Athri,4. Jamadagni,5.Gauthaman,6.
Viswaamithran,7. Bharadwaajan.
Apart from these main 7, gotras can be formed by anotherset of immortal humans
who were deemed to be great sages by blessings of theGods. These gotras
areslightly inferior to the original, but still, it can be also a gotra
1. Deepthimaan,2. Gaalavan,3. Parasuraman,4. Kripan,5.Dronan,6. Vyaaghan, and7.
Rishyasrngan.
As per belief, these 7 sages are likely to become nextSaptarishis, once this
universe we live in gets destroyed and life evolves outof new universe
elsewhere.
The concept of Gotram in Vedic era, was to understand thesource of knowledge
and wisdom. Each Rishi has his own specific domain ofknowledge and he has to
transmit that knowledge of his to generations down thelane. So, each gotram
wasspecialized with specific knowledge associated with that rishi. So, due to
thisbasic concept, Gotra system originally was limited to Brahmin community.
Other communities track their origin to different gods anddeities respectively.
Forexample, Kshatriyas track their origin not from 7 Rishis, rather mostly
fromVedic Gods like Sun, Moon, Fire and Snakes.
As belief, the Kshatriya dynasty originated from Manu, the first Human born
outof Sun God- Surya Deva. So, the largest chunk of Kshatriyas originated from
SunDynasty. Then next setoriginated from Chandra (Moon God) thro’ its
relationship with Thara(Stars). But their offspring was Budha (Mercury) who was
born in cosmic world,thereby not a Human, rather a celestial being. Budha
interestingly married todaughter of Manu- Ila who was a lady at the time of
birth, but due to a curse,she became both Man and Lady at the same time (she
can change sex at will asshe is both Male and Female). Ila in her female form,
had sex with Budha in theearth to have a male human child- Puruvas, thro’ which
Chandravamsha dynasty originated.
So as Agni - fire god, married a human lady- Sudarshana,daughter of Nila
Maharaja and thus founded Agni Dynasty. I will talk about Nagastory later for a
specific reason.
So Kshyatriyas tracktheir origin to these gods, so naturally they didn’t have a
Gotra concept. However post Vedic period,Kshatriyas started asserting their
Gotra to claim themselves within higherBrahmanical order. So theystarted
associating their dynasties with one among 7 sages thro’ legends andmyths.
Vaishyas track theirGotras mostly associated with Vishwakarma and other demi
gods. Some of the Vaishayacommunity track their Gotras to Kshayapa primarily
because Kshyapa married 13wives, some of them are reptiles, birds, animals etc
which bore differentcastes associated with animalistic qualities.
Shudras on other hand has no Gotras or any source oforigin, rather mostly born
as savages.
Irrelevance to Kerala
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Kerala is one of the very few states in India, that do notpractice the concept
of Gotra by some Hindus. If you ask any Malayalees aboutGotrams, they will look
clueless to each other.
This is primarily because most of the upper caste Hindus(barring Nampoothiris
and Kerala iyers ) practises unique system of Matrilineal lineage,by which
children inherit mother’s lineage, not fathers.
I have written a detailedanswer on this-ArunMohan's answer to What is
Sambandham in Kerala?
Until 1920s, Kerala’supper caste Hindu society didn’t accept the tradition of
marriage, husband-wife concept or evenfatherhood concept due to the unique
system of Sambandham traditions, makingthe whole paternal side irrelevant for
majority of caste Hindus. Everything is connected to mother’sside and lineage
of every male moves via nephews and niece, not own children.
This means the very concept of Gotra has no relevance at allas it track origins
to paternal lineage, while upper castes in Kerala tracktheir origin thro’
Maternal lineage, not paternal lineage.
Even though today Kerala has moved to standard familyculture and indeed became
more patriarchal society, majority of the family lawconcept among caste Hindus
are still matrilineal. For example, a child’s caste among so-called uppercaste
Hindus is determined by mother’s caste, not father’s caste and allcustoms
associated with mother’s family is imbibed to children, not father’sside.
When I say this, don’t be under expectation, almost allHindus follow
Matrilineal customs, as only erstwhile upper castes Hindus followit, while
majority of so-called lower castes were historically patrilineal. But the very
basic concept of Gotram is more of upper caste concept,not lower caste. So they
lower castes never had Gothram at very first place.
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Which communities do haveGothram?
Two communities in Kerala do have Gothram tradition
Nampoothiris:- Being a Vedic society that practisesoriginal Vedic traditions.
So, they do have a Gotra, majority being Bharadwajin general. But Nampoothiris
have a problem. One the eldermember of the family marry a Nampoothiri lady.
Rest no other man in thefamily were allowed to marry Namboothiri ladies. This
means only one set offamily members have a clear lineage, rest don’t require.
Due to which, its relative less value even among Nampoothiris. They usethis
only to define who all can become Yajnadipatis (Master sacrificer) or maxfor
some marriage purposes. For no other reasons, they don’t requirethis Gothra
concept
Ambalavasi- Not Ambalavasis have Gotram. Some among them follows
Brahminicalconcepts and they also define a Gothram, but interesting they mostly
associatewith Vishwamitram Gothra concept which is very rare across India. This
is limited mostly to Pushpaka communities, rather others. Again,like
Nampoothiris, it has very limited value in society, at best checked formarriages
Nairs
The biggest upper caste community in Kerala are Nairs. Nairsare not single
caste community, rather an umbrella term to define more than 200 sub castes of
similarconcepts.
Nairs don’t have a gothra,but by basic definition, Nairs believe they hail from
Naga dynasty, ie they are descendants of Vasuki,the snake king.
Vasuki is son of Kadru and Kashyapa, thus Vasuki by conceptbelongs to
Kshayapagotram. But the problem is that, Vasuki and entire Naga(Snake dynasty)
don’t consider as lineage of Kashyap, rather they identifythro’ their mother-
Kadru- Naga Mata. Snake Dynasty by belief is Matrilineal,so they too have
mother’s lineage as primary form. Due to this, Naga dynastyoriginates thro’
Kadru, not Kshayapa.
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This belief has ingrained in minds of Nairs, where they don’tsee anything
associated with Father’s side, rather always see their lineagethro’ Mother. So,
despite ofbeing Naga dynasty, they don’t acknowledge them as Kshayapa gotram
So what about otherswithout Gothram
Well, in Kerala tradition, all upper caste communities areidentified socially
thro’ their Maternal dwelling unit called Tharavad. Themother’s original home
is called Tharavad (Thaiveedu as its original known,meaning Mother’s House)
Since lineage is identified through’ Mother, her originalhome is what defined
as Tharavad and every member of that family associate withthat socially.
For ritualistic purposes, every single Hindu in Kerala isassociated with the
Birth star they were born into. In Kerala system, Birth star (JanmaNakshtram)
has a very important role. The presiding star at horizon when onetakes birth is
defined as Birth star (there are 27 stars and each star hascertain time period
when it appears on the horizon which is calculated as perPanchangam). Due to
this belief, every Hospital and medical staff have tomandatory record the time
of birth (which existed even in past when deliverieswere done by midwives) and
birth star will be determined.
My note- For nairs, thereis no thithi, star is considered for auspicious and in
auspicious purposes(Bali Tharpanam)
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27 Nakshtras and itsposition in Zodiac sign
This birth star will be quoted for any poojas or rituals inany Kerala temples.
No one will ask for any gotra, rather birth stars arealways checked in Kerala
temple. To do any pooja, one must say their Birthstar. Even Birthdays in Kerala
are calculated on basis of Birth star occurrencein respective Malayalam month,
so that there is no fixed date as such. Forexample, if I was born in Anizham
star during the month of Kumbham, my Birthdaywill be always on Anizham star day
in Malayalam month of Kumbham.
The Kings of Travancore were always addressed thro’ theirBirth star basis, like
Swati Thirunal (denoting Swathi/Chothi star) or RevathiThirunal or Pooyam
Thirunal or Vishakam Thirunal.
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Once someone dies, the birth star reference will end andreplaced with the
concept of Death star (the star at horizon when someonedied). So for all
anniversaries, all funeral related rites, its Death star(Adhiyanakshatram) is
quoted.
So in Kerala context, we talk Mother’s house name (Tharavad)+ Birth Star (Janma
Nakshtram) as primary method of identifying one persontraditionally, not Gothra.
My note- I found some good information in this answerappeared in Quora. Of
course for one or two  members there can be nothing in thisanswer. Their
opinions are theirs. Sometimes one member may copy paste pageswith
irrelevantmatter or same matter asresponse.
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