Hello stupid Narayana; hasty reading; I have no grouse against any Veda or the humanity like your Jihadi attitude. And only your Jihadi YV said earth is flat which is made fun off by so many in west and east; and defended it stoutly; I never accepted or denied anything; also according to you only ( a lone fighter) Rig vedam in larger number tham KYV was copied from; but the truth is unassailable as written by so many since 500 BCE till date (except a fool like you) that Rig vedam was.is and will be the oldest ; sama came later; and then only KYV; SYV and AV. So shut all your limbs and stop writing shit KR
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 at 15:30, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear folks > > For once, arch-blasphemer K Rajaram ex-IRS 9425 writes:- > > "*earth is flat yajur veda said?.... **Vedas, the first texts of > humanity, contain seeds of all forms of knowledge – spiritual or material. > And hence it is obvious that there is no possibility of contradiction > between claims of Vedas and deductions of science.*" > > My comments:- > > *Is he, at long last, conceding, of his own accord and without prompting, > that the yajur vedam is really and truly the first text of humanity -- NOT > the r'g-vedam?* > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 11:43 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Vedas, the first texts of humanity, contain seeds of all forms of >> knowledge – spiritual or material. And hence it is obvious that there is no >> possibility of contradiction between claims of Vedas and deductions of >> science. Unlike other so-called holy texts Vedas do not demand blind belief >> on unobservable. So there is no blind insistence on belief in any avatar, >> prophet, god, son of god, mythology or historical claims to avoid some >> hell-like place and seek some heaven-like holiday spot. On contrary, the >> Vedic principle is to explore higher levels of truth in most unbiased >> manner and be honest to the results of this exploration. Science and Vedas >> go hand in hand. >> >> Thus, the approach of Vedas is way different from rest of the religious >> products with whom Vedas are often wrongly clustered. Vedas do not >> spoon-feed. They don’t expect you to find truths of nature and world by >> memorizing certain verses. On contrary, Vedas urge humans to put efforts, >> conduct experiments, reflect upon those experiments and discover wisdom by >> making best use of this laboratory called life. And in the journey towards >> more and more advanced experiments you conduct, Vedas stand with you as a >> trusted guide, coach and mentor. Vedas don’t answer the questions on your >> behalf in the examination, like what happens in many corrupt institutions. >> They help you seek the answers from within yourself in most honest manner. >> >> Being a student of science for major part of my life, the mysteries of >> universe have always fascinated me. And I have always had great respect and >> admiration for scientists like Kepler, Newton, Faraday and Einstein whose >> pursued the unravelling of these mysteries. They are the modern Rishis of >> their fields who discovered the wisdom within themselves by following the >> Vedic methods of exploration and gave us the opportunity to be even greater >> Rishis. And when I dwell into the Vedas, I find them to be my trusted >> mentors who reinforce the same fundamental truths that were discovered by >> these wise men. That leads to conclusion that scientific spirit of these >> legends combined with proactive inspiration from Vedas could be such a >> powerful combination that could transform the civilization in most >> wonderful manner – giving methods, direction, efficiency and purpose to all >> we do and seek to do as humans. >> >> Here I bring you two interesting Mantras from Rigveda that explain the >> planetary motion. Swami Dayanand quoted one of them very briefly in his >> amazing text Rigvedadi bhashya bhumika or Introduction to Vedas more than >> 130 years ago. The mantras can have various meanings, as is the case with >> most Vedic mantras. But I shall explore the straightforward meaning in >> context of motion of planets. >> >> “The sun has tied Earth and other planets through attraction and moves >> them around itself as if a trainer moves newly trained horses around itself >> holding their reins.” >> >> The first one is Rigveda 10.149.1. This is one of the several Mantras in >> Vedas that assert that planets move around sun. It says: >> >> In this mantra, >> >> Savita = Sun >> >> Yantraih = through reins >> >> Prithiveem = Earth >> >> Aramnaat = Ties >> >> Dyaam Andahat = Other planets in sky as well >> >> Atoorte = Unbreakable >> >> Baddham = Holds >> >> Ashwam Iv Adhukshat = Like horses >> >> Very clearly, the mantra explains that sun is center of solar system and >> planets (including earth) move in a closed-loop path around it. >> >> The second one Rigveda 8.12.28 details this motion of planet >> >> “All planets remain stable because as they come closer to sun due to >> attraction, their speed of coming closer increases proportionately.” >> >> In this Mantra, >> >> Yada Te = When they >> >> Haryataa = Come closer through attraction >> >> Hari = Closeness >> >> Vaavridhate = Increases proportionately >> >> Divedive = continuously >> >> Vishwa Bhuvani = planets of the world >> >> Aditte = eventually >> >> Yemire = remain stable >> >> (The reference to sun comes from rest of the Mantras in this Sukta before >> and after this mantra) >> >> The mantra clearly states that: >> >> 1. Motion of planets around the sun is not circular, even though sun is >> the central force causing planets to move (Refer previous mantra 10.149.1) >> >> 2. The motion of planets is such that Velocity of planets is in inverse >> relation with the distance between planet and sun. >> >> It can be easily shown with the help of Newton’s Second Law that, for a >> planet revolving around sun in an elliptical orbit, having distance ‘r’ >> with sun and angle ‘θ’ made between length ‘r’ and any fixed axis, at any >> instant, following holds true >> >> From the above, it can be easily shown that derivative of the product of >> square of distance between sun and planet and rate of change of angle θ, >> with respect to time, is zero. And thus following relation is obtained >> (with h as a constant) >> >> Interestingly, the above relation is nothing but the conservation of >> angular momentum, observed in cases involving Central Forces! If you >> replace angular velocity with linear velocity, it leads exactly to the same >> principle that the Vedic mantra 8.12.28 asserts – that velocity of planets >> is inversely related to distance from sun! >> >> What laws of mechanics and motion can be derived from these principles is >> something that each of you studying science can explore and be excited >> about! >> >> But what is wonderful is that the principles are in perfect sync with >> Kepler’s laws of planetary motion and Newton’s law of gravitation. In fact, >> if these Vedic principles were known, deriving Kepler and Newton’s laws and >> hence law of conservation of angular momentum becomes the next easy logical >> step for an analytical mind! >> >> This is the beauty of Vedas. Vedas and Science are never in >> contradiction. In fact the foundation of Vedic religion lies in the >> principle that “True Science and True Religion can never contradict.” >> >> Please note that we no way imply that mere analysis of Vedic mantras >> could lead to any scientific discovery. Because Vedas themselves suggest >> that without experiments and research in real-world, truth cannot be >> discovered (Refer Atharvaveda 12.5.1, Yajurveda 1.5 and 19.30). But we do >> want to imply that Vedas form a wonderful guru who would always stand >> beside you as a reliable guide. Nothing in Vedas would contradict your >> rational discoveries. And as you discover more and more, Vedas would make >> you realize how magnificent that Supreme Power is who is managing this >> entire universe through such perfect unchangeable laws! Thus, Vedas >> strengthen you from core. >> >> What we presented was just 2 mantras that we chanced to discover with >> whatever limited intellect we have. But that does seem to indicate that >> Vedas do merit a more detailed and institutionalized research. We do hope >> that such researches become reality of tomorrow so that humanity could rise >> above schism between science and religion, and fights among various blind >> cults for claiming the title of only true religion. Vedas are the most >> credible and viable hope for a religion that is in sync with science and >> excludes any notion of blind belief. This would be the next level of >> evolution of human civilization. >> >> The core foundation of Hindu belief is that Vedas contain source of all >> knowledge – physical or metaphysical. However, in last 100 odd years, this >> belief has come under scrutiny due to the advances that modern science >> claims to make. >> >> An entire group of Vedic ‘experts’ have stood up to prove that Vedas >> contain early man theories and are not compatible with modern discoveries. >> These include communist historians propelled by commentaries on Vedas by >> western indologists like Max Muller, Griffith et al and a new breed of >> intellectuals who initiate all research with assumption that ‘old means >> defective’. However, in modern era of religious marketing, another group >> has come up which would go to any length to discover scientific errors in >> Vedas. This is the group which would want 800 million Hindus to lose faith >> in Vedas and their religion and embrace what they believe is the final >> message of God. Yes I am referring to Islamic and Christian evangelists. >> >> While both these groups of evangelists are propelled by vision of making >> everyone in world a follower of their respective Holy Books, the situation >> is even more desperate for Quran zealots. This is because a bulk of Islamic >> evangelists believe that Jesus will come again towards end of the world >> after which they would reach Paradise forever. And an important sign of >> Jesus’ coming is conquest of India. I do not know the original source of >> this superstition, but this remains a primary motivator for most Islamic >> evangelists today. >> >> Thus, every now and then, we would see references to ‘Scientific Errors >> in Vedas’. The typical pattern would be English translation of some mantra >> followed by a Veda Mantra reference. For example, >> >> “Earth is flat” – Yajur Ved 32.8 ***** real meaning t the end> >> >> Often the reference and English translation are both pointing to sources >> best known to authors of these works. But for layman, these create a lot of >> confusion and doubt over relevance of Vedas. While I would shy away from >> thrusting my personal faith on Vedas, I would like to provide some excerpts >> from Vedas that provide clues to deep scientific concepts hidden within >> them. >> >> Unfortunately, due to thousand years of slavery, burning of our >> universities and libraries by barbarians and then demands for tackling >> issues of survival first, there remains a lot of work to be done to >> rediscover the Vedic sciences. However, sufficient clues exist to justify >> why this rediscovery would be worthwhile. >> >> MOTION OF EARTH >> >> Rig Veda 10.22.14 >> >> “This earth is devoid of hands and legs, yet it moves ahead. All the >> objects over the earth also move with it. It moves around the sun. >> >> In this mantra, >> >> Kshaa = Earth (refer Nigantu 1.1) >> >> Ahastaa = without hands >> >> Apadee = without legs >> >> Vardhat = moves ahead >> >> Shushnam Pari = Around the sun >> >> Pradakshinit = revolves >> >> Rig Veda 10.149.1 >> >> “The sun has tied Earth and other planets through attraction and moves >> them around itself as if a trainer moves newly trained horses around itself >> holding their reins.” >> >> In this mantra, >> >> Savita = Sun >> >> Yantraih = through reins >> >> Prithiveem = Earth >> >> Aramnaat = Ties >> >> Dyaam Andahat = Other planets in sky as well >> >> Atoorte = Unbreakable >> >> Baddham = Holds >> >> Ashwam Iv Adhukshat = Like horses >> >> GRAVITATIONAL FORCE >> >> Rig Veda 8.12.28 >> >> “O Indra! by putting forth your mighty rays, which possess the qualities >> of gravitation and attraction-illumination and motion – keep up the entire >> universe in order through the Power of your attraction.” >> >> Rig Veda 1.6.5, Rig Veda 8.12.30 >> >> “O God, You have created this Sun. You possess infinite power. You are >> upholding the sun and other spheres and render them steadfast by your power >> of attraction. >> >> Yajur Veda 33.43 >> >> “The sun moves in its own orbit in space taking along with itself the >> mortal bodies like earth through force of attraction.” >> >> Rig Veda 1.35.9 >> >> “The sun moves in its own orbit but holding earth and other heavenly >> bodies in a manner that they do not collide with each other through force >> of attraction. >> >> Rig Veda 1.164.13 >> >> “Sun moves in its orbit which itself is moving. Earth and other bodies >> move around sun due to force of attraction, because sun is heavier than >> them. >> >> Atharva Veda 4.11.1 >> >> “The sun has held the earth and other planets” >> >> LIGHT OF MOON >> >> Rig Veda 1.84.15 >> >> “The moving moon always receives a ray of light from sun” >> >> Rig Veda 10.85.9 >> >> “Moon decided to marry. Day and Night attended its wedding. And sun >> gifted his daughter “Sun ray” to Moon.” >> >> ECLIPSE >> >> Rig Veda 5.40.5 >> >> “O Sun! When you are blocked by the one whom you gifted your own light >> (moon), then earth gets scared by sudden darkness.” >> >> “SCIENCE OF BUILDING SHIPS AND AIRPLANES” >> >> Swami Dayanand has detailed Mantras regarding these in his Vedic >> commentary and Introduction to Vedas” (1876). The scientists of IISc >> concluded that the mechanism of airplane as suggested by Dayanand is >> feasible. The first manned plane was built 20 years after death of Swami >> Dayanand. >> >> The verses are difficult to translate in English here, but readers are >> advised to review “Introduction to Vedas” by Swami Dayanand or >> interpretations of following mantras: Rig Veda 1.116.3, 1.116.4, 10.62.1, >> 1.116.5, 1.116.6, 1.34.2, 1.34.7, 1.48.8 etc. >> >> SCIENCE OF TELEGRAPHY >> >> Rig Veda 1.119.10 >> >> “With the help of bipolar forces (Asvins), you should employ telegraphic >> apparatus made of good conductor of electricity. It is necessary for >> efficient military operations but should be used with caution.” >> >> YAJURVEDA 32.8 Earth is not flat but woven as shown in diagrams by >> modern science for curvature of the space which shall be rendered also by >> these authors as space is flat but they would not venture to say. Woven is >> layers of flat with the curved edges. Now >> >> वे॒नः। तत्। प॒श्य॒त्। निहि॑त॒मिति॒ निऽहि॑तम्। गुहा॑। सत्। यत्र॑। >> विश्व॑म्। भव॑ति। एक॑नीड॒मित्येकऽनीडम् ॥ तस्मि॑न्। इ॒दम। सम्। च॒। वि। च॒। >> ए॒ति॒। सर्व॑म्। सः। ओत॒ इत्याऽउ॑तः। प्रोत॒ इति॒ प्रऽउ॑तः। च॒। वि॒भूरिति॑ >> वि॒ऽभूः। प्र॒जास्विति॑ प्र॒ऽजासु॑ ॥८ ॥ >> >> O men! (यत्र) in which (विश्वम्) all the world (एकनीदम्) one shelter ( >> भवति) would be (तत्) that (गवाह) intelligence or hidden cause (निहितम्) >> situated (सत्) the eternally conscious Brahman (विश्वम्) the learned >> learned man (पश्यत्) sees with the sight of knowledge At the time of >> origin (वि) there is also a separate gross form, (सः) He (विभूः) >> pervades in various ways (प्रजासु) among the people (ोतः) like cloth in >> standing threads (च) and (प्रतः) like cloth in horizontal threads. >> >> Meaningful Languages -O men! Do not worship anyone else as God except Him >> whom the learned know by the power of intelligence, who is the basis of all >> the heavens and other things, in whom the whole universe is absorbed at the >> time of annihilation and from whom it emerges at the time of >> creation.{Dayananda Saraswati} >> >> इत्याऽउ॑तः। प्रोत॒ इति॒ प्रऽउ॑तः। च॒। वि॒भूरिति॑ वि॒ऽभूः। प्र॒जास्विति॑ >> प्र॒ऽजासु॑= >> PROTHA ITI PRAJASU LAID OR SPREAD AS A CLOTH WOVEN LAY; ISS WRITTEN BY THE >> WEST AS FLAT OR EARTH IS FLAT. THE WORLD EVOLUTION WAS DUE TO THE HIDDEN >> CAUSE BRAHMAM; AAND INITIALLY IT WAS SPREAD OR ACCELERATED AS IF A WOVEN >> CLOTH IN LAYERSS; AND SUCH BRAHMAM ALONE SHALL BE WORSHIPPED- IS CUT >> RENDERING THE WHOLE VERSE AS IF ONE LINE GIVING A TWISTED MEANING; IF THE >> EARTH WAS FLAT SAY, THEN ALL THE OTHER SCIENCE RENDERED IN VEDAS HOW CAN BE >> TRUE AT ALL? >> >> K Rajaram IRS 9425 >> >> -- >> On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >> >> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >> >> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "KeralaIyers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoopAdaS9c9ceDN2mz4TRA%2BHNcTA8QY62gq9a3PHq0UBmg%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoopAdaS9c9ceDN2mz4TRA%2BHNcTA8QY62gq9a3PHq0UBmg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL4idhNHpHsFH48LwmeopN_E0FH%3DyJ-mfBRfUj2CernnHuRsUQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL4idhNHpHsFH48LwmeopN_E0FH%3DyJ-mfBRfUj2CernnHuRsUQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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