1 Mr Gopalakrishnan seems to question as if intelligently, only because he
refuses to read; unless one reads petit questions alone will be the
outcome; I wrote on Adi shankara a decade back. Much water had flown and
still without reading anything acting as if............ is a problem. When
he did not know even kerala history, how can I ask him to have the King's
look? Quora can be rewritten originally but he does copy and paste, in
haste; but truth can only be reproduced as it is done only once and no one
can alter it all.
2 Mr Sekar airs his view in line; however concept of all religions speak
the same and all are good people-must be a mutual concept of greatness;
however, when the majority , tried to ill treat the oldest concept of
Hinduism as a myth and unfounded and starts ignoring, changing their
history (which is an unlawful act) , by taking their (Indian) own fingers
(mutts and Historians) it is not an easy task to bear with the equanimity
as generous. We have to condemn whoever it may be; even the heads of Mutts
at present; I did that. Mr Sekar has the same view. I wish sarve jana
sukino bhavanthu; but when the neighbor does not intend to be that way, he
has to be shown the gates or else we become a laughing stock.
3 Mr Sivaraman's statement that all are doing the same welfare job to the
society and why we are treated differently, might be a generous view, but
not an end of justification. There was a staunch Sringeri sishya who wrote
in the net, so indecently against the Kanchi mutt, as if thieves in running
columns; I forgot his name; when such thing were flowing out, as Mutt head,
one up of today did not do anything; then there were virtuaL WAR OF WORDS.
I spoke to then J of Kanchi; he said that we have to be patient; when I met
that senior Pontiff in his camp I asked him about it all; He declined to
answer. I spoke to Gowri Shankar; he was stepping away. Later it died down.
But wounds caused are only an aberration. Sringeri mutt has records only
from Vidyaranya. On the contrary copper plates are there showing their
precedence to Sringeri; evidence of Kodalur Mutt do exist. But politicians
will not take sides including BJP as all wish to rule. However the true
history of India extracts the truth of wrongly written British History of
India with evidence. And the pages are extracted only to show how we are
only the sitting ducks as Gopalakrishnan is asking as if so genuine. We may
not be able to do anything now, but without that knowledge, existence as
neutral exposes only our ignorance.
The Jones, Maxmuller conspiracy to capture the power and to show
that Jesus and Moses were the origin of the earth and so being ruled by
them is perfect -placebo effect-ere induced and for 200 years we were
slaves. The diplomacy weapon they took was reading the history of India
well from our scriptures and then using ASIATIC SOCIETY OF CALCUTTA IN
RELEASING THE BOOKS IN CHAINS. Why did so many western writers come to
India to write about even the sanskrit scrap lying on the road , to be
translated in indecent language and left believing that the tons of lies
will suppress the Indian Historians. They succumbed. Sarva Palli
Radhakrishnan was the first victim whose services were so lauded uo; and
many followed in line as their books were sold outside India. There are no
takers for the 4 vedas to buy even locally; but many Pseudo historians
became millionaires. Even Kerala history did the same. The diplomacy was
the NAME SUBSTITUTE. The Alexander invasion was the yardstick. The names of
Morya and Gupta Kings were the same. The Mauryan (322-185 BCE) and
Gupta (320-550
CE) empires of India united large areas of the subcontinent. Instead of
Guta meeting Alexander, if the drama is set as Matya names, you can shrink
the number of years; if you evaluate the palm leaves as first or the oldest
as the age of that script in SMRITHI, you can shrink further. So BCE became
AD and the Mahabharatham war took place only when your 7th generation was
inexistence. Again this 320 BCE is also questionable as our scriptures
written close to those eras do not say so; in all there were no logical
connivances but many books were floated as authentic. Hence our men who
were so lethargic for the search (leave alone the research) followed
through. Vivekananda cursed the Kasi Pundits, who played second fiddle to
the British as Brahmins could be purchased so easily for a few dollars
more. Now to set it right , those distortions, it is difficult to extricate
the knots. Had the British recorded the sources, we can go back in history
to untie; but how lies will have a source? Congress gave us the best
education of 'NO SCIPTUReS', but "FALSE HISTORY" as education till date.
one small nation made the world proud of their nation and we are running
after the deception. The true story of India extracts do reveal that only.
K Rajaram IRS 19824
On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 at 20:42, Madras Sivaraman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> You have done very meticulous research.
> Thank you for your mail with a very fascinating account of sankara
> peetams.I think in this period it is immaterial which peetam is older.Both
> the acharyas are great in their own ways and deserve respect.
>
> On Sun, 18 Aug, 2024, 21:00 Rajaram Krishnamurthy, <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sivaraman ji
>> When you meet you can also ask for the book on fixing the Adi
>> Shankara dae in BCE which one was written by bhaktha after research. If I
>> have in my website here I shall send you As a matter of fact, sringeri
>> sishyas will be hurt; but this Sringeri Mutt alone caused all the
>> confusions with the connivance of Long -ago- IAS sishyas of Sringeri , who
>> made the ovt records, in-Sringeri and Ex-Kanchi mutt. Sringeri mutt was
>> created by Vidyaranyar the CM of Hari Hara and Bukka keeping the uncle of
>> him as its first pontiff. All knew about the Bukka period. But at that
>> time the real Karnataka Mutt established by Adi Shankara, was along
>> Tungabhadra river (incidentally there are 276 mutts in Karnataka, where
>> adishankara is made the first Guru , out of which nearly 40% are close to
>> Tunga badra) in a place called KOODALI; and when Vidyaranyar got the grant
>> from the King , he was looking for a place; then the pontiff then of that
>> mutt established by Adi shankara wentto Kasi but did not return which was a
>> mystery; there that was replaced by Vidyaranya Minister settling his uncle
>> as 1st head till Vidyaranyar took over after retirement. He is undoubtedly
>> a scholar.
>>
>> A {*Kudali Sringeri Samsthan* is an important institution of the
>> Bharatiya civilization, established by Adi Shankaracharya around 2500 years
>> ago at Kudali (confluence of Tunga and Bhadra rivers) in Karnataka state.
>> Therefore, it is called Sri ‘Jagadguru Shankaracharya Samsthan’ or
>> ‘Dakshinamnaya Sharada Peetha’ and is commonly referred to as Kudali
>> Sringeri mutt locally.
>>
>> At Kudali, the enchanting union of the Tunga and Bhadra rivers creates a
>> picturesque confluence, surrounded by ancient tirthas and temples. This
>> sacred place, located in present-day Shimoga district of Karnataka, is
>> often referred to as the Varanasi of the South. One unique aspect of Kudali
>> is the standing posture in which Devi Sharadamba is worshipped, a
>> representation that is exclusive to this location. As Shankaracharya
>> journeyed southward, he arrived at a place renowned as the *ashrama* of
>> the illustrious *Rishyasringa*. Mesmerized by the celestial charm of the
>> confluence of the Tunga and Bhadra rivers, he recognized it as the ideal
>> location. Turning back at that very moment, he found Devi Sharadamba
>> standing there. Shankaracharya offered his worship and established a temple
>> dedicated to her, depicting her in the standing posture. He composed the
>> Sharada Bhujanga stotram, a hymn that eloquently praises her maternal
>> benevolence and divine grace –
>>
>> कटाक्षे दयार्द्रां करे ज्ञानमुद्रां
>> कलाभिर्विनिद्रां कलापैः सुभद्राम्।
>>
>> पुरस्त्रीं विनिद्रां पुरस्तुङ्गभद्रां
>> भजे शारदाम्बामजस्रं मदम्बाम्॥
>>
>> *Which means –*
>>
>> She is the one with tear-filled eyes, emanating compassion. She
>> gracefully holds the Jnaana-mudra, having flourished in various arts and
>> knowledge systems (kalaa), adorned with exquisite ornaments. She embodies
>> nobility and radiates constant brilliance. As the river Tungabhadra flows
>> serenely before her, I offer my heartfelt prayers to Sharadamba, my revered
>> Mother. IT IS STILL FUNCTIONING WITH 72 PEETATHPATHI kANCHI 70; DWARAKA
>> 68; SRINGERI IN 40+ THE ONLY MUTT HAVING THE LOWEST RANK PEETATHIPATHI;
>> AND THEN DID SHANKARA WHO ESTABLISHED OTHER MUTTS ACCEPTED BY, HAVE IN
>> NUMBERS 70 WHEREAS SRINGERI HAS JUST HALF OF IT?}
>>
>> B {A hagiographic legend states that Sri Adi Shankara, during His
>> travels across India, witnessed a snake unveiling its hood like an umbrella
>> to shield a pregnant frog from the hot sun on the banks of the river Tunga
>> in Sringeri. Deducing that non-violence amongst natural predators was
>> innate to a holy spot, Sri Adi Shankara decided to establish His first
>> Peetham in Sringeri. Sringeri is independently associated with Sage
>> Rishyasringa <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishyasringa> of Ramayana
>> fame, son of Sage Vibhandaka. (Harshananda, Swami (2012). *Hindu Pilgrim
>> centres* (2nd ed.). Bangalore, India: Ramakrishna Math. pp. 135–8. ISBN
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)> 978-81-7907-053-6
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7907-053-6>.)
>>
>> According to tradition, Shankara also instituted the tradition of
>> appointing a succession of monastic pontifical heads, called the
>> *Jagadgurus,* to each of the four monasteries, installing Sri
>> Sureshvaracharya, Sri Hastamalakacharya, Sri Padmapadacharya and Sri
>> Totakacharya as the first Jagadgurus of the Peethams at Sringeri, Dvaraka,
>> Puri and Badri respectively. According to tradition, Sri Adi Shankara
>> installed Sri Sureshwaracharya
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sureshwaracharya>, believed by tradition
>> to be the same as Maṇḍana Miśra
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%E1%B9%87%E1%B8%8Dana_Mi%C5%9Bra>, as
>> the first acharya of the Peetham at Sringeri before resuming his tour to
>> establish the three remaining Peethams at Puri, Dwaraka and Badarinath. The
>> math holds one of the four Mahavaakyas, *Aham-Bramhasmi.* The math
>> claims to have a lineage of Jagadgurus, stretching back straight to Sri Adi
>> Shankaracharya himself. *The present and 36th* Jagadguru acharya of this
>> peetham is Jagadguru <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagadguru> Bharathi
>> Teertha Mahaswam
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharathi_Teertha_Mahaswami>i
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharathi_Teertha_Mahaswami>. His guru was
>> Jagadguru <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagadguru> Sri Abhinava
>> Vidyatirtha <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abhinava_Vidyatirtha> Mahaswami.
>> The successor-designate (the 37th Jagadguru acharya) was appointed in 2015,
>> and was given the Yogapatta (monastic name) Sri Vidhushekhara Bharati
>> Mahaswami.
>> While tradition attributes the establishment of Sringeri Sharada Peetham
>> to Adi Shankara, situating him in the 5th century BCE, the history of
>> Sringeri Peetham from the time of Adi Shankara (8th century CE) to about
>> the 14th century is unknown. {KR Whereas all other mutts ncluding
>> Kanchi history is known with the order of pontif more or less similar,
>> where was the back history of Sringeri present?} (was it available from
>> Koodali?} This may be because the sources are contradictory about the
>> dates and events, in part because of the loss of records, and also
>> because the pontiffs of the monastery adopted the same name which has
>> created confusion in understanding the surviving records (KR Can it
>> be taken for granted?) Yet, it may also be because the peetham was not
>> founded by Shankara, but only centuries later. The early inscriptions
>> that mention Sringeri, in the regional Kannada language, are donative or
>> commemorative. Though useful in establishing the significance of the matha,
>> they lack details to help establish the early history. According to
>> Hermann Kulke, the early history of Sringeri is unknown and the earliest
>> epigraphical evidence in the region is from the 12th century and belongs to
>> the Jainism tradition.(KR Theertha is not dasamana style of sanyasi
>> names as found in Sringeri) According to Paul Hacker, no mention of the
>> *mathas* can be found before the 14th century CE. Until the 15th
>> century, the timespan of the directors of Sringeri Math are unrealistically
>> long, spanning 60+ and even 105 years. After 1386, the timespans become
>> much shorter According to Hacker, these mathas were probably established
>> in the 14th century, to propagate Shankara's view of Advaita.
>> Vijayanagara Empire - Vidyaranya
>>
>> The history of Sringeri Peetha is recorded in the matha's literature as
>> well as in *kadatas* (ledger records and inscriptions of various forms)
>> and *sanads* (charters) from the 14th century onwards.
>>
>> A pivotal figure in the history of the matha is Vidyaranya
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidyaranya> (sometimes referred to as
>> Madhava Vidyaranya or Madhavacharya) who was an ideological support and the
>> intellectual inspiration for the founders of the Vijayanagara Empire
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayanagara_Empire>.[33]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sringeri_Sharada_Peetham#cite_note-FOOTNOTELeela_Prasad200767%E2%80%9371-33>
>> [34]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sringeri_Sharada_Peetham#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAK_Shastri199921%E2%80%9324-34>
>> [35]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sringeri_Sharada_Peetham#cite_note-35> He
>> helped Harihara I and his brother Bukka to build a Hindu army to overthrow
>> the Muslim rule in the Deccan region, and re-establish a powerful Hindu
>> kingdom from Hampi <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampi>. In his
>> counsel, the Vijayanagara founders lead an expansive conquest of much of
>> the southern Indian peninsula, taking over lands from the Sultanates that
>> had formed after several invasions by the Delhi Sultanate
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delhi_Sultanate>. According to tradition,
>> the monk's efforts were supported by the 10th and 11th pontiff of Sringeri
>> peetham. Vidyaranya later became the 12th acharya of the Sringeri
>> peetham in 1375 CE.9KR 1-10 are prescribed names like adi shankara.
>> sukavaneswara like and 11th his uncle and then 12th Vidyaranyar; it means
>> then, present pontif is only number 26 far behind other muttes) Shortly
>> after the start of the Vijayanagara empire in 1336 CE, the rulers began
>> building the Vidyashankara temple at the Sringeri peetham site. This temple
>> was completed in 1338. The Vijayanagara rulers repaired and built
>> numerous more Hindu and Jain temples in and around the Sringeri matha and
>> elsewhere in their empire. This is a period where numerous inscriptions
>> help establish the existence of the Sringeri peetham from the 14th century
>> onwards.
>>
>> The Vijayanagara rulers Harihara and Bukka gave a *sarvamanya* (tax-exempt)
>> gift of land in and around Sringeri in 1346 CE to the Sringeri matha guru
>> Bharati Tirtha, in a manner common in the Indian tradition for centuries,
>> to help defray the costs of operating the monastery and temples. The grant
>> is evidenced by a stone inscription by the king who reverentially refers to
>> the 10th pontiff of Sringeri matha as a *guru* (counsellor,
>> teacher). This grant became a six-century tradition that ended in the 1960s
>> and 1970s when the Indian central government introduced and enforced a
>> land-reform law that redistributed the land. The Vijayanagara empire gift
>> also began a regional philanthropic tradition of endowments by the wealthy
>> and the elderly population to the Sringeri matha. The *matha* managed
>> the land and therefore operated as a sociopolitical network and land-grant
>> institution for over 600 years beyond its religious role and spiritual
>> scholarship. This relationship between the monastery and the regional
>> population has been guided by a mutual *upcara* (hospitality,
>> appropriate conduct) guideline between the *matha* and the populace.
>> According
>> to Leela Prasad, this *upcara* has been guided by the Hindu Dharmasutras
>> and Dharmasastras texts preserved and interpreted by the *matha*, one
>> composed by a range of authors and generally dated to be from the second
>> half of the 1st-millennium BCE through about 400 CE.
>>
>> In the late 15th century, the patronage of the Vijayanagara kings shifted
>> to Vaisnavism. Following this loss of patronage, Sringeri matha had to find
>> other means to propagate its former status, and the story of Shankara
>> establishing the four cardinal *mathas* may have originated in the 16th
>> century.
>>
>> According to Shastri, following the traditional accounts, the
>> Vijayanagara kings visited the Sringeri monastery many times over some 200
>> years and left inscriptions praising the monks, revering their knowledge of
>> the Vedas and their scholarship. The monastery also provided the
>> Vijayanagara empire administration with guidance on governance. The
>> descendant rulers of the Vijayanagara empire regularly visited the
>> monastery and made a series of endowments to the Sringeri matha as
>> evidenced by various inscriptions They also established the *agrahara* of
>> Vidyaranyapuram with a land grant for the Brahmins, and in the 15th century
>> established the earliest version of the Saradamba temple found at the
>> Sringeri peetham site.[42]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sringeri_Sharada_Peetham#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAK_Shastri199925%E2%80%9329-42>
>> The
>> tradition of establishing satellite institutions under the supervision of
>> the Sringeri peetham started in the Vijayanagara empire period. For
>> example, Vidyaranya organized a *matha* in Hampi. {WIKIPEDIA}
>>
>> I have so many factors to show that present Sringeri is as good
>> as shakatapuram nearby but Kanchi was the oldest; and shifting between
>> kumbakonam and Kanchi ,were used by sringeri people as Kanchi branch of
>> sringeri and wriggled away. On the contrary Ambal of Tiruvanaikaval
>> TADANGAM PRESENTED BY kANCHI MUTT WAS CLAIMED BY SRINGERI AND THERE WAS A
>> LONG DRAWN CASE WHICH WAS FINALLY DECIDED ONLY IN FAVOUR OF kANCHIMUTT.
>> Calcutta British office decided many issues only in favour of Kanchi mutt
>> whether stationed at Kanchi or Kumbakonam. For the time being I end here. K
>> Rajaram IRS 18824
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 at 01:27, Madras Sivaraman <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for this valuable input.I learnt about Dharmakeerthi for the
>>> first time.
>>> I was in Kanchi mutt with his holiness for several hours including one
>>> to one talk with him a few days ago.May be one day I may get an opportunity
>>> to see their records if they show me.
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 18 Aug 2024, at 8:31 AM, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Sivaraman Ji
>>> All accredited historians B B Lal, Romila tapar, Ramachandra
>>> Guha, have all followed the British Pattern of the connived history written
>>> by the British mixing Gupta with Morya kingdom, and Alexander invasion
>>> only. They were /are conditioned as they had international recognition. I
>>> don't know whether you read the earlier part of True History where It was
>>> described so well how the British stole 1200 years of solid history. Where
>>> as the science can fabricate connecting 2 distant fossils to narrate the
>>> creation as truth; where from an island so small , visiting in a ship tour
>>> , one man can write up an evolution viz Darwin as truth; why west do not
>>> accept the astronomy dates of calendars formulated in Indian literatures?
>>> The cause they said was there is no software to go beyond 12000 years and
>>> so to calculate manually it is impossible to ascertain those planets
>>> positions and hence unreliable data. But carbon dating cannot go beyond
>>> 50000 years but how a fossil where carbon dating cannot be done beyond
>>> 50000 years can be classified as eras of metals and african migration
>>> took place beyond those 50000 years?; one is estimated wrt the mishap
>>> guessed; and the rest are compared to that particular event and estimated
>>> again. Historians are recognised only when they follow that pattern with
>>> evidence they have classified. If Katapayadi system is mathematics then adi
>>> shankara birth is proved by Kerala maths. But if someone were to carbon
>>> date that system palm leaf as only 500 year old, because they got it only
>>> as evidence , then the lack of a partial system is despicable. The west
>>> refuses sikkim monastery records as unfounded or insertions where buddha
>>> birth is stated as only 1000 BCE . If the star of bethlehem is reliable why
>>> not Indian star positions? That is why now more theories are being floated,
>>> by western world that there is no Christ at all. If the chinese travellers
>>> to India (books are available in many libraries in English) could figure
>>> out DHARMA KEERTHI and NAGARJUNA Buddist monks of Nalanda university, then
>>> why no one even mentioned ADI SHANKARA WHO WAS DEFEATED BY DHARMA KEERTHI?
>>> Because, when Chinese travellers were here, Adi Sankara was not there. On
>>> the contrary books written by Dharma keerthi in the sikkim monastery speaks
>>> of 6 sankara's drowned in Ganga, and the Indian historians took one of them
>>> as adi sankara; if so adi sankara should have been drowned. There cannot be
>>> any direct evidence for the AD period fixed and accepted by the cong govt
>>> of India only due to some of your seniors in the ministry who went along
>>> with Sringeri then which is untruth. Much water has flown; connecting links
>>> are unavailable; so what the scientists said or accredited historian said
>>> may not be the truth. Yet you and I were to speak on a public forum, and
>>> had to talk in line with the available doc only. I had gone very deep about
>>> the adi shankara period since 1982 onwards. # mutts records are available.
>>> But if someone will only think with an intent to deny as it is opening the
>>> pandora box, well time alone shall eject them out K Rajaram 17824 18824
>>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 at 20:25, Madras Sivaraman <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mr.Rajaram no accredited historian has stated that the great Adisankara
>>>> was before Christ era.There must be some proof of this not a mere
>>>> chronology.I have the greatest admiration for this saint for his intuition
>>>> and philosophy.But his antiquity is now only in the 7th century
>>>> AD.Sometimes I wonder whether the Buddha, Jesus Christ, prophet mohamed,
>>>> Adi Sankara and Swami Vivekananda are all rebirths of the same person.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 18 Aug, 2024, 06:24 Rajaram Krishnamurthy, <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear word doc attached where lien of kingdom and Lien of correct
>>>>> period of Adi Shankara may be seen KR IRS 17824 18824
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