They probably are, but they'll have a separate list, for beta testers only, to do that, I'm sure. It does seem a bit odd that no-one seems to have noticed the FaceBook Twitter weirdness prior to release, though.
Fi -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 18 March 2012 23:33 To: Talks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an iPhone) Fair points, but I mean the Testers must be reading our mails too and surely they must be finding the same issues as ourselves so I am wondering why they are not reporting back to the Developers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fi Dunn" <[email protected]> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an iPhone) > Ah, well, I have done some beta testing, although never for talks, and > you have to sign agreements about not disclosing various things, which > can depend on the software in question. It always says you won't share > features of upcoming versions you are testing, though, whichever company. > > Also, the hassle some of them on here would get from people trying to > weedle information out of them would be horrific, if they disclosed > that they were testers, I should imagine. > > Fi > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke > Sent: 18 March 2012 23:10 > To: Talks Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an > iPhone) > > Or if not developers, maybe even Testers, though I do not think the > Testers openly say who they are either. > > Eleanor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fi Dunn" <[email protected]> > To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:53 PM > Subject: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an > iPhone) > > >> Exactly, this silence is really frustrating. >> >> Developers, are you there? >> >> Fi >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >> Sent: 18 March 2012 22:15 >> To: Talks Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >> >> Well said Fi but I must just make another point about the e-mail and >> Talks and indeed I raised this within a few days of latest release of >> Talks but it was met with a wall of silence. When we want to read an >> e-mail we have all this additional information that we do not want, >> the number of frames the first frame being untitled and consisting of >> 2 colms, when the first frame finishes and when the second frame >> starts. Not only that, it is 50 >> 50 if Talks even picks up the e-mail on first go, I am often treated >> to Browser Browser Browser and have to repeat the Talks and arrow >> down yet again. >> >> Eleanor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fi Dunn" <[email protected]> >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >> >> >>> I agree totally, especially about E-mail and the FaceBook and >>> Twitter jabbering while you're inputting text issue, which is really >>> annoying!!! >>> It's far easier for me to use my Android, iPhone or even ... um ... >>> Mobile >>> speak on faceBook! Yes, it doesn't do some other stuff that the very >>> latest Talks does, but they haven't broken edit boxes on social >>> networking sites up till now. Why should these be broken when they >>> were fine before? >>> I have only upgraded Talks, not my firmware or anything lately. I'm >>> not sure if I should upgrade to the new versions of software >>> available, either. Will facebook and Twitter edit boxes still be >>> broken, even after that? Will my E-mail be even worse? We don't seem >>> to get answers to such questions from developers the way they do on >>> the Android list ... and most of the Android screen readers are >>> free! So we've kept on and on paying for Talks and can't access >>> E-mail very well, and the Ovi Store isn't even a joke! It's worse! >>> As far as I know, there hasn't really been any explanation about why >>> this doesn't work well, but the same applies with Mobile Speak >>> there. Code factory did, at least make older phones read E-mail >>> better, though. Having to arrow down to read the body of an E-mail >>> really is primitive! >>> >>> I tend to do most of my mailing on my HTC or iPhone for that reason >>> these days. >>> >>> I love the design of Nokia phones, and the Vocaliser voices used >>> with talks, but, if you want to keep us on side, at least give us >>> some reasons why this stuff doesn't work well in Symbian, when it >>> does on other platforms, please! >>> >>> Thank you for reading this. These are thoughts I have had for a >>> number of months now, not just something I thought of today. I've >>> already pretty much decided my next new phone ... and I like new >>> phones ... often ... >>> will almost certainly not b a Nokia on Symbian, with its >>> inaccessible Ovi Store, most apps and half-baked e-mail access. >>> >>> If people think I'm being harsh, I'm sorry. However, I say all this >>> after using all three platforms, so I do know what I am comparing. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Fi >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >>> Sent: 18 March 2012 21:39 >>> To: Talks Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>> >>> Christopher I am very pleased to read what you write below re Talks >>> and iPhone. I am aware of more and more blind people making the move >>> over to iPhone and I am thinking seriously about it for my necxt >>> phone, however, I have been a Talks user for 4 years now and my >>> appeal here is to the Talks developers not to let the iPhone and >>> Android take over the market of screen readers for the blind. My >>> Symbian S60 has met all my needs up to >>> 2011 but Talks is not meeting my needs at present. What then are my >>> problems? >>> >>> 1. E-mail accessability is not what it was. I cannot seem to find a >>> way on my E6 to save a new e-mail address. >>> 2. As pointed out by another list member, over a week ago, the Edit >>> boxes in Twitter and Facebook have Talks continually saying edit box >>> while one is writing. Yet this has only become an issue with Talks >>> released in February 2012. What surprises me is that such an issue >>> is not known at release time. Surely the developers run through >>> e-mail, internet and social network sites prior to release. >>> 3. Despite all I said over months about the work around on E6 to >>> start writing in a word document. My comments were not listened to. >>> >>> Finally Talks developers, I love Talks and do not want to stop using >>> this excellent and reasonably priced software, but if my comments >>> and those of other users fall on deaf ears, then we may be forced to >>> go out and purchase an alternative mobile device than the symbian >>> S60 one. >>> -----Original message----- >>> From: Christopher Chaltain >>> Sent: 18/03/2012, 3:28 pm >>> To: Talks Mailing List >>> Subject: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>> >>> >>> Well, after being a happy Symbian and Talks user for almost exactly >>> 9 years, I finally decided to get a new smart phone, and this time I >>> went with an iPhone. Not that why I did so is important to anyone, >>> but I'll include some of my thoughts below, as well as how much I >>> appreciate Talks and the Symbian platform. >>> >>> I started using Talks while it was still in beta back at the end of >>> 2002. >>> I got a Nokia 9290 communicator, and I think this, in conjunction >>> with Talks, was the first fully accessible smart phone available to >>> the blind. >>> I've had 2 Symbian phones since then, the Nokia N75 and the AT&T >>> Nokia E71X. Each phone had it's strengths and weaknesses, but in >>> general, I've never been disappointed with Symbian or Talks. >>> >>> My decision to go with an iPhone was a tough one, although that was >>> as much philosophical as anything else. I type on my E71X much less >>> than I used to, so the thought of going with a touch only device >>> became less of a concern for me. I was kind of waiting for the Droid >>> 4 (which will have a keyboard), but I wasn't sure when or if AT&T >>> would ever carry the Droid 4, and after reading multiple reviews of >>> Android and Ice Cream Sandwich, it seemed like I'd be waiting quite >>> a while for Android to catch up with the iPhone with respect to >>> accessibility. >>> >>> The closed nature of the iPhone also concerned me when comparing it >>> to an Android, or even a Symbian, phone, but I use the cloud more >>> and more, and I eventually decided that I could leverage the cloud >>> enough to minimize my need to use Windows or iTunes. >>> >>> I also started finding myself needing an IOS or Android device for >>> work and wanting one for personal use, e.g. the apps I needed for >>> work or wanted to use personally were only available on the IOS or >>> Android platforms. Although there isn't anything wrong with my E71X, >>> it is starting to show it's age, and once I decided Android would be >>> playing catch up with the iPhone with respect to accessibility for >>> quite some time to come, even given Ice Cream Sandwich. I decided >>> there was no longer any reason to wait. >>> >>> I just want to say that I never slammed the iPhone, so I don't think >>> I'm being hypocritical at all. I still feel the Symbian device and >>> Talks are perfectly adequate solutions for the right situation, and >>> I don't think anyone needs to feel like they're being left behind if >>> they choose to continue to use a Symbian device for another handset >>> or two. It's all about what you want and what gets the job done. >>> >>> I just want to conclude by letting the Talks developers and this >>> list know how much I appreciated the technological advances made by >>> the Talks developers. They were truly visionaries. I also want this >>> list to know how much I appreciated the support I got from this list >>> and it's members. >>> I'm >>> convinced that without Symbian, Talks and this list, I would not >>> have been a satisfied blind smart phone user these past nine years. >>> >>> I'll hang out on this list for a bit, and I'm sure I'll see some of >>> you on more generic lists, but eventually I'll have to unsubscribe >>> from this list, unless of course, I can't stand the iPhone and come >>> back to Talks! >>> Wow, this all seems a bit melodramatic, but Talks and this list have >>> actually been a big part of my life for most of a decade, so I hope >>> y'all will forgive my drama! Good luck everyone in that quest for >>> the perfect smart phone for your own situation! >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (CJ) >>> [email protected] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>> >>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>> http://www.talknav.net/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>> >>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>> http://www.talknav.net/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>> >>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>> http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >> http://www.talknav.net/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >> http://www.talknav.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. > http://www.talknav.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. > http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list [email protected] http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list [email protected] http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/
