Exactly, this silence is really frustrating. Developers, are you there?
Fi -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 18 March 2012 22:15 To: Talks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone Well said Fi but I must just make another point about the e-mail and Talks and indeed I raised this within a few days of latest release of Talks but it was met with a wall of silence. When we want to read an e-mail we have all this additional information that we do not want, the number of frames the first frame being untitled and consisting of 2 colms, when the first frame finishes and when the second frame starts. Not only that, it is 50 50 if Talks even picks up the e-mail on first go, I am often treated to Browser Browser Browser and have to repeat the Talks and arrow down yet again. Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fi Dunn" <[email protected]> To: "Talks Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone > I agree totally, especially about E-mail and the FaceBook and Twitter > jabbering while you're inputting text issue, which is really annoying!!! > It's far easier for me to use my Android, iPhone or even ... um ... Mobile > speak on faceBook! Yes, it doesn't do some other stuff that the very > latest Talks does, but they haven't broken edit boxes on social networking > sites up till now. Why should these be broken when they were fine before? > I have only upgraded Talks, not my firmware or anything lately. I'm not > sure if I should upgrade to the new versions of software available, > either. Will facebook and Twitter edit boxes still be broken, even after > that? Will my E-mail be even worse? We don't seem to get answers to such > questions from developers the way they do on the Android list ... and most > of the Android screen readers are free! So we've kept on and on paying for > Talks and can't access E-mail very well, and the Ovi Store isn't even a > joke! It's worse! As far as I know, there hasn't really been any > explanation about why this doesn't work well, but the same applies with > Mobile Speak there. Code factory did, at least make older phones read > E-mail better, though. Having to arrow down to read the body of an E-mail > really is primitive! > > I tend to do most of my mailing on my HTC or iPhone for that reason these > days. > > I love the design of Nokia phones, and the Vocaliser voices used with > talks, but, if you want to keep us on side, at least give us some reasons > why this stuff doesn't work well in Symbian, when it does on other > platforms, please! > > Thank you for reading this. These are thoughts I have had for a number of > months now, not just something I thought of today. I've already pretty > much decided my next new phone ... and I like new phones ... often ... > will almost certainly not b a Nokia on Symbian, with its inaccessible Ovi > Store, most apps and half-baked e-mail access. > > If people think I'm being harsh, I'm sorry. However, I say all this after > using all three platforms, so I do know what I am comparing. > > Thanks. > > Fi > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke > Sent: 18 March 2012 21:39 > To: Talks Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone > > Christopher I am very pleased to read what you write below re Talks and > iPhone. I am aware of more and more blind people making the move over to > iPhone and I am thinking seriously about it for my necxt phone, however, I > have been a Talks user for 4 years now and my appeal here is to the Talks > developers not to let the iPhone and Android take over the market of > screen readers for the blind. My Symbian S60 has met all my needs up to > 2011 but Talks is not meeting my needs at present. What then are my > problems? > > 1. E-mail accessability is not what it was. I cannot seem to find a way on > my E6 to save a new e-mail address. > 2. As pointed out by another list member, over a week ago, the Edit boxes > in Twitter and Facebook have Talks continually saying edit box while one > is writing. Yet this has only become an issue with Talks released in > February 2012. What surprises me is that such an issue is not known at > release time. Surely the developers run through e-mail, internet and > social network sites prior to release. > 3. Despite all I said over months about the work around on E6 to start > writing in a word document. My comments were not listened to. > > Finally Talks developers, I love Talks and do not want to stop using this > excellent and reasonably priced software, but if my comments and those of > other users fall on deaf ears, then we may be forced to go out and > purchase an alternative mobile device than the symbian S60 one. > -----Original message----- > From: Christopher Chaltain > Sent: 18/03/2012, 3:28 pm > To: Talks Mailing List > Subject: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone > > > Well, after being a happy Symbian and Talks user for almost exactly 9 > years, I finally decided to get a new smart phone, and this time I went > with an iPhone. Not that why I did so is important to anyone, but I'll > include some of my thoughts below, as well as how much I appreciate Talks > and the Symbian platform. > > I started using Talks while it was still in beta back at the end of 2002. > I got a Nokia 9290 communicator, and I think this, in conjunction with > Talks, was the first fully accessible smart phone available to the blind. > I've had 2 Symbian phones since then, the Nokia N75 and the AT&T Nokia > E71X. Each phone had it's strengths and weaknesses, but in general, I've > never been disappointed with Symbian or Talks. > > My decision to go with an iPhone was a tough one, although that was as > much philosophical as anything else. I type on my E71X much less than I > used to, so the thought of going with a touch only device became less of a > concern for me. I was kind of waiting for the Droid 4 (which will have a > keyboard), but I wasn't sure when or if AT&T would ever carry the Droid 4, > and after reading multiple reviews of Android and Ice Cream Sandwich, it > seemed like I'd be waiting quite a while for Android to catch up with the > iPhone with respect to accessibility. > > The closed nature of the iPhone also concerned me when comparing it to an > Android, or even a Symbian, phone, but I use the cloud more and more, and > I eventually decided that I could leverage the cloud enough to minimize my > need to use Windows or iTunes. > > I also started finding myself needing an IOS or Android device for work > and wanting one for personal use, e.g. the apps I needed for work or > wanted to use personally were only available on the IOS or Android > platforms. Although there isn't anything wrong with my E71X, it is > starting to show it's age, and once I decided Android would be playing > catch up with the iPhone with respect to accessibility for quite some time > to come, even given Ice Cream Sandwich. I decided there was no longer any > reason to wait. > > I just want to say that I never slammed the iPhone, so I don't think I'm > being hypocritical at all. I still feel the Symbian device and Talks are > perfectly adequate solutions for the right situation, and I don't think > anyone needs to feel like they're being left behind if they choose to > continue to use a Symbian device for another handset or two. It's all > about what you want and what gets the job done. > > I just want to conclude by letting the Talks developers and this list know > how much I appreciated the technological advances made by the Talks > developers. They were truly visionaries. I also want this list to know how > much I appreciated the support I got from this list and it's members. I'm > convinced that without Symbian, Talks and this list, I would not have been > a satisfied blind smart phone user these past nine years. > > I'll hang out on this list for a bit, and I'm sure I'll see some of you on > more generic lists, but eventually I'll have to unsubscribe from this > list, unless of course, I can't stand the iPhone and come back to Talks! > Wow, this all seems a bit melodramatic, but Talks and this list have > actually been a big part of my life for most of a decade, so I hope y'all > will forgive my drama! Good luck everyone in that quest for the perfect > smart phone for your own situation! > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. > http://www.talknav.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. > http://www.talknav.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > and > Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list [email protected] http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list [email protected] http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/
