The part I still find confusing is that if you start with 3 and lose 1, your have 2, which means you can't always break a tie, right? How is this explained? As opposed to saying that 4 is the minimum if you need to tolerate a loss of 1.

-- Jack Krupansky

-----Original Message----- From: Walter Underwood
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:51 PM
To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
Subject: Re: Minimum HA Setup with SolrCloud

What is the mystery? Two is not more than half of four. Therefore, two machines is not a quorum for a four machine Zookeeper ensemble.

wunder

On Dec 6, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote:

It's still an unresolved mystery, for now.

-- Jack Krupansky

-----Original Message----- From: Walter Underwood
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:30 PM
To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
Subject: Re: Minimum HA Setup with SolrCloud

The Zookeeper ensemble knows the total size. It does not adjust it each time that a machine is partitioned or down.

Two machines is not a quorum for a four machine ensemble.

Why do you think that the documentation would get this wrong?

wunder

On Dec 6, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Jack Krupansky wrote:

But that is the context I was originally referring to - that with 4 zk you can lose only one, that you can't lose two. So, if you want to tolerate a loss on one, 4 zk would be the minimum... but then it was claimed that you COULD start with 3 zk and loss of one would be fine. I mean whether you start with 4 and lose 2 or start with 3 and lose 1 is the same, right?

-- Jack Krupansky

-----Original Message----- From: Yonik Seeley
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:34 PM
To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org
Subject: Re: Minimum HA Setup with SolrCloud

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Jack Krupansky <j...@basetechnology.com> wrote:
I trust that you have the right answer, Mark, but maybe I'm just struggling
to parse this statement: "the remaining two machines do not constitute a
majority."

If you start with 3 zk and lose one, you have an ensemble that does not
"constitute a majority".

I think you took that out of context.  They were talking about losing
2 nodes in a 4 node cluster.

"For example, with four machines ZooKeeper can only handle the failure
of a single machine; if two machines fail, the remaining two machines
do not constitute a majority."

-Yonik
http://lucidworks.com

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Walter Underwood
wun...@wunderwood.org




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