Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code.

2014-12-21 Thread Alan Gauld
On 21/12/14 09:21, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote: Don't postpone writing unittests (don't use doctest). But do wait till you know what you will be testing. You can't write a unit test until you have a unit in mind. The OP seems to be struggling to figure out what units he needs. Once he has done tha

Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code.

2014-12-21 Thread Adam Jensen
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:15:43 +1100 Ben Finney wrote: > Use a distributed version control system > (Mercurial is good and is written in Python) I'm beginning to really appreciate [fossil](http://fossil-scm.org/). Re: "Learning to program, not code". Is that like learning to think rather than

Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Finney
Albert-Jan Roskam writes: > Don't postpone writing unittests (don't use doctest). They really give > you focus and confidence (peace of mind!). Excellent advice. Write unit tests as a way of documenting what you want the function to do, and also to document what the function did wrong in that bu

Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code.

2014-12-21 Thread Albert-Jan Roskam
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 3:30 AM CET Dave Angel wrote: >On 12/20/2014 08:16 PM, Brandon Dorsey wrote: >> >> I'm 28 years old, currently unemployed and not in school until fall of >> 2015 as a junior. I picked up python a little under a year ago, with the >> hopes that I

Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code.

2014-12-21 Thread Brandon Dorsey
> > I'm 28 years old, currently unemployed and not in school until fall of > 2015 as a junior. I picked up python a little under a year ago, with the > hopes that I could make a career out of programming - when I finish school > that is. So, as of right now you could say it's a hobby, however, I

Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code.

2014-12-20 Thread Dave Angel
On 12/20/2014 08:16 PM, Brandon Dorsey wrote: I'm 28 years old, currently unemployed and not in school until fall of 2015 as a junior. I picked up python a little under a year ago, with the hopes that I could make a career out of programming - when I finish school that is. So, as of right now

Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code. [LONG RESPONSE!]

2014-12-19 Thread boB Stepp
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Brandon Dorsey wrote: > > Hello All, > > Programming has always been a passion of mine, however, I'm frequently > frustrated at > > simple fact that I've been learning python for 8 months, and I have yet to > start, and finish, a simple > > project. I find difficu

Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code.

2014-12-19 Thread Dave Angel
On 12/18/2014 09:09 PM, Brandon Dorsey wrote: Hello All, Programming has always been a passion of mine, A great start. Can you tell us a little more about yourself? Is Python the first language you've tried, or are you successful at other languages? Are you in school, at what level, do yo

Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code.

2014-12-19 Thread Alan Gauld
On 19/12/14 09:38, Sarika Shrivastava wrote: I am also facing write a code in python please help me for this i read all concepts of python but whem i will started this i am facing lot of problems . Feel free to ask questions here. But please be specific. We need to know what kind

Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code.

2014-12-19 Thread Alan Gauld
On 19/12/14 02:09, Brandon Dorsey wrote: simple fact that I've been learning python for 8 months, and I have yet to start, and finish, a simple project. That's a pity because the detail involved in completing a project is often where you learn most. Maybe you should take time out from "learni

Re: [Tutor] Learning to program, not code.

2014-12-19 Thread Sarika Shrivastava
] Learning to program, not code. To: tutor@python.org Hello All, Programming has always been a passion of mine, however, I'm frequently frustrated at simple fact that I've been learning python for 8 months, and I have yet to start, and finish, a simple project. I find difficult to not only

[Tutor] Learning to program, not code.

2014-12-19 Thread Brandon Dorsey
Hello All, Programming has always been a passion of mine, however, I'm frequently frustrated at simple fact that I've been learning python for 8 months, and I have yet to start, and finish, a simple project. I find difficult to not only visualize the execution, but to figure out when and where