Mansour Moufid:
> Pizza is a real problem:
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hezbollah-names-cia-agents-in-lebanon/
>
> Coffee too!
Fascinating article.
A group speculates about some people. Their method might be as
rudimentary as locating a blond person in a part of the city where all
people hav
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Alexandre Guillioud
wrote:
> I had heard that the original use case were to protect their (US navy)
> ships against command center localisation through RF harvesting. The onion
> routing of the admiral commands through a few boats means enemmies can't
> detect whi
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Paul Syverson
wrote:
> We came up ourselves with potential application suggestions such as
> open source intelligence gathering or "phoning home" as you put it.
> We also came up with other ideas (some good, some bad) and also talked
> to people about how it might
you dont have a wikipedia page so... thanks much...
philosophy of logic huh... so that means you would probably comprehend why
i would be desirous of exhaustive research regarding `evolution`... as you
state below ...and more, if we follow logic, why inaction is unethical of
the mindful
> > >> O
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 10:01:41PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote:
> i understood you worked there i didnt understand that you worked there
> prior to onion routing research
Ah OK. Now your question makes sense to me. I started at NRL in 1989. I
started working on onion routing in 1995. I've worked on
i understood you worked there i didnt understand that you worked there
prior to onion routing research
thanks for your time in answering my question
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Mirimir wrote:
> On 08/03/2015 10:02 AM, Paul Syverson wrote:
> > Hi Cari,
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 06:38:0
On 08/03/2015 10:02 AM, Paul Syverson wrote:
> Hi Cari,
>
> On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 06:38:07PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote:
>> dear paul - specifically how did YOU know how to / or that you could get
>> funding from the navy... specifically the navy that is... not just the
>> general US gov
>
> I'm
Hi Cari,
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 06:38:07PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote:
> dear paul - specifically how did YOU know how to / or that you could get
> funding from the navy... specifically the navy that is... not just the
> general US gov
I'm confused. I work at the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. Th
dear paul - specifically how did YOU know how to / or that you could get
funding from the navy... specifically the navy that is... not just the
general US gov
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Paul Syverson
wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 03:58:59PM +0800, Virgil Griffith wrote:
> > > You
On 08/02/2015 11:05 PM, Juan wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300
> Cari Machet wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/qXajND7BQzk?t=27m40s
>>
>> here is on camera explanation of why the navy wants you to use
>> tor ... if YOU dont it wont work
>
>
> Bingo.
>
> If only the criminals f
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 03:58:59PM +0800, Virgil Griffith wrote:
> > You did that on purpose, right? You obviously knew the kind of
> > answers your question would generate.
>
> I was hoping for responses like those from Dr. Syverson. I was not
> interested in debating the ethics
dear virgil you are not my representative on planet fucking earth
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
> the very nature of parasitic behavior
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Juan wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300
>> Cari Machet wrote:
>>
>> > https://youtu.be/qXa
the very nature of parasitic behavior
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Juan wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300
> Cari Machet wrote:
>
> > https://youtu.be/qXajND7BQzk?t=27m40s
> >
> > here is on camera explanation of why the navy wants you to use
> > tor ... if YOU dont it wont work
>
>
> You did that on purpose, right? You obviously knew the kind of
> answers your question would generate.
I was hoping for responses like those from Dr. Syverson. I was not
interested in debating the ethics or justification---simply what the
original funders were looking for / wish
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:41:18 +0800
Virgil Griffith wrote:
> I delegate this thread to tor-opent...@lists.torproject.org
By the way, you started this thread here and now you want to
move it somewhere else?
You did that on purpose, right? You obviously knew the kind of
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:41:18 +0800
Virgil Griffith wrote:
> I delegate this thread to tor-opent...@lists.torproject.org
what?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Juan wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300
> > Cari Machet wrote:
> >
> >> https://youtu.be/qXajND7BQzk?t
I delegate this thread to tor-opent...@lists.torproject.org
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Juan wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300
> Cari Machet wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/qXajND7BQzk?t=27m40s
>>
>> here is on camera explanation of why the navy wants you to use
>> tor ... if YOU don
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300
Cari Machet wrote:
> https://youtu.be/qXajND7BQzk?t=27m40s
>
> here is on camera explanation of why the navy wants you to use
> tor ... if YOU dont it wont work
Bingo.
If only the criminals from the americunt military and other
branch
https://youtu.be/qXajND7BQzk?t=27m40s
here is on camera explanation of why the navy wants you to use tor ... if
YOU dont it wont work
syverson - the way it is portrayed here - worked at the naval lab and
developed the idea there
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 2:09 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
> and this is
and this is a great example of why you are life full and loved and others
not so much
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 1:46 AM, grarpamp wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
> Subject: Researchers improve de-anonymization attacks for sites hiding on
> Tor
> > another great reason
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
Subject: Researchers improve de-anonymization attacks for sites hiding on Tor
> another great reason no one should talk about let alone think about
> building new/different shit
Exactly. I mention network fill / chaff on occaision. It could be c
+1 for creating a tor-opentalk list if we need to satisfy the keyboard
philosophers, communal fetishists and other interesting characters who
need an audience to preen/preach in front of. Although I did find the
the original start of this thread to be pretty interesting.
Like many others lur
dear virgil
your way is antithetical to the definition of communal - in other words you
have no clue what it means to exist in a communal space
define 'productive'
define 'adult'
if you think being an adult is hiding from reality and acting as if nothing
can be under critique that you dont want
right because 'tor talk' is not 'open' to TALK about underlying
philosophical issues regarding critique of actuals within the tor framework
NEED NEW LIST TO ELIMINATE THE 'BAD APPLES'
i want to take a poll how many people on this list have the dna of western
european descent how many identify as
I propose the creation of an alternative mailing list where pressing issues
like the ones in this thread can get airing, attention, and discussion they
deserve.
For such a list I propose the candidate name of
tor-o...@lists.torptoject.org
-V
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 at 04:45 Virgil Griffith wrote:
>
> shut which i think is profoundly antithetical to
> anything ANYONE working on tor project would
> desire
Being asked to take a conversation to another room so the communal space
remains productive in other ways coincides with the desire of many adults
working on the Tor project.
On Sat, 1 Aug 20
On 7/31/15, Cari Machet wrote:
> dear roger that is your opinion
Roger D:
> ... please think through whether it contributes usefully to the topic at
> hand, and whether it contributes *sufficiently* for many thousands of
> people to read it.
Roger asked us to think, before we type. He was courte
dear roger that is your opinion
all these things you state are conjecture and not based in any formulated
fact or even a tiny little data set
what was being discussed was incredibly important and as far as i am
concerned you are putting up a wall and telling people to keep their mouths
shut which
Hi everybody,
Please remember that the tor-talk list has many thousands of people on
it, and many of them are hoping to learn about how Tor works, as well
as contribute to making Tor work better.
Enormous threads like this one don't do anybody any good at actually
accomplishing either of these go
Dear lara you are so dull in the mind you cant remember typing?
+
Cari Machet:
> would be more effective if people were working on different projects for
> security as many as possible
I feel your pain, bro! How much time should *we* wait for them? *They*
should get to work ASAP!
Cari Machet:
> dear lara
>
> you have a parasite ... ideology is a belief system & belief systems are
> religious
This guy:
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Is quoting this guy:
>> On 7/30/15, Alexandre Guillioud wrote:
And back to the first one.
Dear Cari, learni
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On 07/30/2015 04:01 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Years ago a friend coined the term the FOG - the False Oppositional
> Group. In many cases of community issues here in Australia, one or
> two people "offer" to "lead" a committee to "fix the communit
dear lara
you have a parasite ... ideology is a belief system & belief systems are
religious
::
whoever said that there already are a lot of open source tor like things
... name them here
and making things open source code umn didnt tor like do that too ?? uh
new structures need to be opensour
On 7/30/15, Alexandre Guillioud wrote:
> To Zenaan :
>
> I havn't enough grasp on english language (i have a hell of time to debunk
> sarcastics comment in my own language, let alone english) to determine if
> you are backing me or are pushing me into the cliff.
Don't sweat on it - the cliff migh
To Zenaan :
I havn't enough grasp on english language (i have a hell of time to debunk
sarcastics comment in my own language, let alone english) to determine if
you are backing me or are pushing me into the cliff.
Anyway, I back you on your description of the situation. A few 'genuine
members' (e
On 7/30/15, Alexandre Guillioud wrote:
> Guy, this could be reversed.
> Tor has limitations ? Make a pretty infographics on the subject and move
> on.
> It's not by using these kind of "epistomologique" principle that you'll
> educate the mass.
>
> My point is you are putting your head into the ov
On 7/30/15, Alexandre Guillioud wrote:
> Reread a few post back.
> First you are whining about tor being misused, and after being put in place
> by Lara, you say "internet is full of ressources anyway" ?
>
> Plain nonsense.
>
> Plus, making citation on two weird sentences i wrote a 2am, out of a l
On 7/29/15, Lara wrote:
> Alexandre Guillioud:
>> People which need tor for security, anonymity, can and will inform
>> themselves.. If they don't, they risk exactly what they were risking
>> withiut it.
>
> But if that's so, than the sky is not falling. Won't Jeebus come on and
> stain his white
On 7/29/15, Juan wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:32:56 +
> Virgil Griffith wrote:
>>> Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military
>>> ntending to use Tor for?
> me:
>> Exactly the same things they use it for right now.
>> Communications for their murdering operations,
Guy, this could be reversed.
Tor has limitations ? Make a pretty infographics on the subject and move
on.
It's not by using these kind of "epistomologique" principle that you'll
educate the mass.
My point is you are putting your head into the oven by doing what you do :
you don't want to teach, yo
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 22:56:33 +0200
Alexandre Guillioud wrote:
> I would risk a dumb question : how can it be 'controlled opposition"
> when their (NSA) capacities to listen to whoever they want on tor
> havn't been demonstrated nor refuted ?
Have you ever heard or read this sentence :
es about your mistake? Stop whining.
--
Original Message
From: Alexandre Guillioud
Apparently from: tor-talk-boun...@lists.torproject.org
To: "tor-talk@lists.torproject.org"
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking,what was the U.S. navy /military
Date: Thu, 30 Jul
Lara, i'm basically on your side on this debate. If you want to troll on
two weird sentences, ignoring most of my message, go on 9gag.
Le jeudi 30 juillet 2015, Lara a écrit :
> Alexandre Guillioud:
> > People which need tor for security, anonymity, can and will inform
> > themselves.. If they d
Reread a few post back.
First you are whining about tor being misused, and after being put in place
by Lara, you say "internet is full of ressources anyway" ?
Plain nonsense.
Plus, making citation on two weird sentences i wrote a 2am, out of a long
and meaningful message, is equally plain non sen
My friend if you hear whinning someone should 'help' you *read* my post.
> People which need tor for security, anonymity, can and will inform
> themselves.. If they don't, they risk exactly what they were risking
> withiut it.
Also never say something is a fact about all people that need tor for
Alexandre Guillioud:
> People which need tor for security, anonymity, can and will inform
> themselves.. If they don't, they risk exactly what they were risking
> withiut it.
But if that's so, than the sky is not falling. Won't Jeebus come on and
stain his white cloud?
I bet in the next post you'
If 'most' of these 'uninformed' peoples should be 'fine' using clearnet,
then, why are you whinning ?
I mean, if they use the tool incorrectly, they will only face no danger.
People which need tor for security, anonymity, can and will inform
themselves.. If they don't, they risk exactly what they
There's enough information available on the internet to gain good knowledge of
how to use TOR. Making sure you know the tools you're using is your
responsibility.
Looking at porn isn't called illegal, *most* self-contained people should be
fine using clearnet.
--
>
> The Tor team should pre
Great idea!
--
> devjimsm...@safe-mail.net:
> > Many people use TOR without understanding enough about how it works.
> > They trust TOR because of what they hear about it without their own
> > verification. TOR is just a tool not the solution and you have to
> > know how to use it correctly.
>
>
Hahahahaha
Le jeudi 30 juillet 2015, Lara a écrit :
> devjimsm...@safe-mail.net:
> > Many people use TOR without understanding enough about how it works.
> > They trust TOR because of what they hear about it without their own
> > verification. TOR is just a tool not the solution and you have to
devjimsm...@safe-mail.net:
> Many people use TOR without understanding enough about how it works.
> They trust TOR because of what they hear about it without their own
> verification. TOR is just a tool not the solution and you have to
> know how to use it correctly.
The Tor team should prepare a
I approve. And there is a big problem over here. How to explain these
complicated use cases that would protect people at 99% ?
Le jeudi 30 juillet 2015, a écrit :
> Many people use TOR without understanding enough about how it works. They
> trust TOR because of what they hear about it without th
And there are a lot of project. If these project are followed, they are
mostly open. If they are open, they (the NSA) know what you could be using.
If these project arn't followed by consistant number of peoples, their code
quality could be horrible.
My point is thatwhat you are asking isn't poss
Many people use TOR without understanding enough about how it works. They trust
TOR because of what they hear about it without their own verification. TOR is
just a tool not the solution and you have to know how to use it correctly.
--
> controlled opposition is why i skreech about tor - that
Cari Machet:
> would be more effective if people were working on different projects for
> security as many as possible
I feel your pain, bro! How much time should *we* wait for them? *They*
should get to work ASAP!
--
tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
To unsubscribe or ch
controlled opposition is why i skreech about tor - that it is looked to as
THE SOLUTION ... they know what people are using - not as bad as controlled
demolition but...
would be more effective if people were working on different projects for
security as many as possible
On Jul 29, 2015 11:57
I would risk a dumb question : how can it be 'controlled opposition" when
their (NSA) capacities to listen to whoever they want on tor havn't been
demonstrated nor refuted ?
Le mercredi 29 juillet 2015, Juan a écrit :
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:32:56 +
> Virgil Griffith > wrote:
>
>
>
> >>
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 03:36:52AM +0800, Virgil Griffith wrote:
> > old at that point.) We had a picture where the ordering
> > information went over the Web from the Pentagon to Domino's and was
> > routed by an enemy (Iraq at the time of the putative pizza channel
> > concern). I remember a poi
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:32:56 +
Virgil Griffith wrote:
>> Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military
>> ntending to use Tor for?
me:
>
>
> Exactly the same things they use it for right now.
>
> Communications for their murdering operations, spying,
> p
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:32:56 +
Virgil Griffith wrote:
>Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military
ntending to use Tor for?
Exactly the same things they use it for right now.
Communications for their murdering operations, spying,
propaganda.
> old at that point.) We had a picture where the ordering
> information went over the Web from the Pentagon to Domino's and was
> routed by an enemy (Iraq at the time of the putative pizza channel
> concern). I remember a point I would make during presentations was
> that the enemy could see the n
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> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:01 AM, spriver wrote:
>
> Am 2015-07-29 14:44, schrieb Lara:
>> Virgil Griffith:
>>> But what was the Navy/military originally hoping to use Tor-related
>>> protocols for? It's unclear to me what their historical motivations were.
>> Becau
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> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Paul Syverson wrote:
>
> Hi Virgil,
>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:32:56PM +, Virgil Griffith wrote:
>> intending to use Tor for?
>>
>> I know the classic story of US intelligence agents wanting to phone home
>> from Beijing
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> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Alexandre Guillioud
> wrote:
>
> hahahaha :)
> What's all that bullshit around tor about its security.. The source is
> fully disclosed, maintenaned by open source agents. Their are well known
> flaws into the system, but, from my
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> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Alexandre Guillioud
> wrote:
>
> I had heard that the original use case were to protect their (US navy)
> ships against command center localisation through RF harvesting. The onion
> routing of the admiral commands through a few b
I had heard that the original use case were to protect their (US navy)
ships against command center localisation through RF harvesting. The onion
routing of the admiral commands through a few boats means enemmies can't
detect which on is giving orders.
2015-07-29 14:32 GMT+02:00 Virgil Griffith :
hahahaha :)
What's all that bullshit around tor about its security.. The source is
fully disclosed, maintenaned by open source agents. Their are well known
flaws into the system, but, from my engineer point of view, not enough to
void the usage of it.
Come on, some big company/agency can spy by ove
Hi Virgil,
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:32:56PM +, Virgil Griffith wrote:
> intending to use Tor for?
>
> I know the classic story of US intelligence agents wanting to phone home
> from Beijing hotels without Chinese intelligence knowing they were phoning
> home as a partial motivation for open
Am 2015-07-29 14:44, schrieb Lara:
Virgil Griffith:
But what was the Navy/military originally hoping to use Tor-related
protocols for? It's unclear to me what their historical motivations
were.
Because they are servants of a reptilian specie of aliens, they are
following their masters' plan.
Virgil Griffith:
> But what was the Navy/military originally hoping to use Tor-related
> protocols for? It's unclear to me what their historical motivations were.
Because they are servants of a reptilian specie of aliens, they are
following their masters' plan. They need to spy on *you*. Because *
intending to use Tor for?
I know the classic story of US intelligence agents wanting to phone home
from Beijing hotels without Chinese intelligence knowing they were phoning
home as a partial motivation for open-sourcing Tor.
But what was the Navy/military originally hoping to use Tor-related
pro
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