you dont have a wikipedia page so... thanks much... philosophy of logic huh... so that means you would probably comprehend why i would be desirous of exhaustive research regarding `evolution`... as you state below ...and more, if we follow logic, why inaction is unethical of the mindful
> > >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Paul Syverson < > > paul.syver...@nrl.navy.mil> > > >> wrote: > We also tried to design in an open-ended and modular way in > expectation of other applications that we had not yet thought of or > evolutions of existing applications. And this was as much or more > about anticipation than about the communication environment that > existed at the time, ... On Aug 3, 2015 10:17 PM, "Paul Syverson" <paul.syver...@nrl.navy.mil> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 10:01:41PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote: > > i understood you worked there i didnt understand that you worked there > > prior to onion routing research > > Ah OK. Now your question makes sense to me. I started at NRL in 1989. I > started working on onion routing in 1995. I've worked on a couple of > areas, but prior to onion routing and anonymous comms, my largest > focus had been epistemic and temporal logics for analyzing > authentication and security protocols, which was closest to my > academic background---primarily logic and philosophy of logic. > > > > > thanks for your time in answering my question > > Glad I could help. > -Paul > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Mirimir <miri...@riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > On 08/03/2015 10:02 AM, Paul Syverson wrote: > > > > Hi Cari, > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 06:38:07PM +0300, Cari Machet wrote: > > > >> dear paul - specifically how did YOU know how to / or that you > could get > > > >> funding from the navy... specifically the navy that is... not just > the > > > >> general US gov > > > > > > > > I'm confused. I work at the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. The Navy > > > > is a standard place for me to apply to with any funding proposal. > > > > Perhaps this will help > > > > http://www.nrl.navy.mil/doing-business/ > > > > > > When did you start working at NRL? Also, what were some of your other > > > early projects? > > > > > > > And, for any proposal, we _don't_ know that we can get funding for it > > > > till a funder agrees. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > Paul > > > > > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Paul Syverson < > > > paul.syver...@nrl.navy.mil> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 03:58:59PM +0800, Virgil Griffith wrote: > > > >>>>> You did that on purpose, right? You obviously knew the > kind > > > of > > > >>>>> answers your question would generate. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I was hoping for responses like those from Dr. Syverson. I was > not > > > >>>> interested in debating the ethics or justification---simply what > the > > > >>>> original funders were looking for / wishing to fund. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> To summarize, the answer I got was: There was no explicit problem > to > > > >>>> be solved, > > > >>> > > > >>> There _were_ explicit problems, but nobody approached us with them > or > > > >>> with requirements that they said needed a new technology. We came > up > > > >>> with some specific problems we thought might be useful to solve > and a > > > >>> technology that addressed them. These co-evolved, and I can't say > > > >>> which is the chicken and which is the egg. We also tried to design > in > > > >>> an open-ended and modular way in expectation of other applications > > > >>> that we had not yet thought of or evolutions of existing > applications. > > > >>> And this was as much or more about anticipation than about the > > > >>> communication environment that existed at the time, which is the > > > >>> reason I mentioned the pizza channel (since I don't think anybody > was > > > >>> offering a way to order food over the Web in 1995). > > > >>> > > > >>>> we just had this cool research idea and ONR was cool with > > > >>>> funding us to study it. However, when we discussed the > motivations > > > >>>> with managers we talked about mitigating leaks from things like > "The > > > >>>> Pizza Channel" or enabling field-agents to covertly phone home. > > > >>> > > > >>> Well not just managers. In papers, conference presentations, etc. > > > >>> basically to anyone that we were trying to tell about onion routing > > > >>> and what it had the potential to do. > > > >>> > > > >>> aloha, > > > >>> Paul > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -V > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Juan <juan....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:41:18 +0800 > > > >>>>> Virgil Griffith <i...@virgil.gr> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> I delegate this thread to tor-opent...@lists.torproject.org > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> By the way, you started this thread here and now you > want to > > > >>>>> move it somewhere else? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> You did that on purpose, right? You obviously knew the > kind > > > of > > > >>>>> answers your question would generate. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Juan <juan....@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:16:43 +0300 > > > >>>>>>> Cari Machet <carimac...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/qXajND7BQzk?t=27m40s > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> here is on camera explanation of why the navy wants you to use > > > >>>>>>>> tor ... if YOU dont it wont work > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Bingo. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> If only the criminals from the americunt military and > other > > > >>>>>>> branches of government used some kind of 'secret' > network, > > > >>>>>>> it wouldn't be secret at all. So they (have to) use other > users as > > > >>>>>>> cover. Sick - like everything the US government does. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> syverson - the way it is portrayed here - worked at the naval > lab > > > >>>>>>>> and developed the idea there > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > > > >>>>>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -- > > > >>>>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > > > >>>>> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > > > >>>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > > > >>>> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > > > >>>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > > > >>> -- > > > >>> tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > > > >>> To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > > > >>> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Cari Machet > > > >> NYC 646-436-7795 > > > >> carimac...@gmail.com > > > >> AIM carismachet > > > >> Syria +963-099 277 3243 > > > >> Amman +962 077 636 9407 > > > >> Berlin +49 152 11779219 > > > >> Reykjavik +354 894 8650 > > > >> Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet> > > > >> > > > >> 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 > > > >> > > > >> Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the > > > >> addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. 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